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  <title>On John</title>
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<p>For the last month or so, I have been reading (a lot), and writing (a little) about early testimony on the authors of the Gospels, and particularly, the author of the Gospel of John.</p>
<p>A friend — most reasonably — asked why. This is an answer.</p>
<p>For a long time, I have been — what is the word? — devoted to John’s Gospel, and John’s letters.</p>
<p>There is something mesmerizing about them. I see it — feel it — at once with the start of John’s Gospel:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>In the beginning was the Word,</p>
<p>and the Word was with God,</p>
<p>and the Word was God.</p>
<p>He was with God in the beginning.</p>
<p>Through him all things were made;</p>
<p>without him nothing was made that has been made.</p>
<p>In him was life,</p>
<p>and that life was the light of all mankind.</p>
<p>The light shines in the darkness,</p>
<p>and the darkness has not overcome it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>There is architecture there. You have to look up, in awe.</p>
<p>It is as if you have entered a room, to find an old man, half in prayer, half teaching — talking to himself, but speaking into history. You can almost hear him saying, perhaps muttering (<a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1.htm">interlinear English / Greek</a>):</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>En archē ēn ho logos,</p>
<p>kai ho logos ēn pros ton theon,</p>
<p>kai theos ēn ho logos.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>And you can also feel — this man loves — worships — his friend, who spoke so fully, who lived as he did. A few verses on at the start of the Gospel:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The Word became flesh</p>
<p>and made his dwelling among us.</p>
<p>We have seen his glory,</p>
<p>the glory of the one and only Son,</p>
<p>who came from the Father,</p>
<p>full of grace and truth.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The letters read like the same old man — <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20John%201&amp;version=PHILLIPS">the elder</a> — as he talks, astonished, about what he has seen:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>We are writing to you about something which has always existed yet which we ourselves actually saw and heard: something which we had an opportunity to observe closely and even to hold in our hands, and yet, as we know now, was something of the very Word of life himself! For it was life which appeared before us: we saw it, we are eye-witnesses of it, and are now writing to you about it. It was the very life of all ages, the life that has always existed with the Father, which actually became visible in person to us mortal men. We repeat, we really saw and heard what we are now writing to you about.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>That’s how I read it. It’s almost like music, like a long, beautiful song, full of structure and detail, but yet, nothing could be different; once it is written, we see it must be as it is.</p>
<p>That’s how I read it, but then I read many commentators, and historians, and they say — well, he can’t be an eye-witness, why does Jesus speak in this way, it doesn’t sound like the Jesus of the synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke), how did a fisherman learn to write Greek like that, where do they come from, all these long speeches by Jesus, surely this “John” did not remember them?</p>
<p>And for many of those commentators, the answer is — it’s just some person, we know not who, who made it up — it’s a fantasy — a fake; it’s a story, maybe a lovely story, but nothing but.</p>
<p>I was mystified by that conclusion. The Gospel just doesn’t read that way — in part because it is just so astonishing, unlike anything else in the world before and during and after the New Testament. What kind of mind was this, that could make that up? And how, in God’s name, did the church and every scholar since that time, lose track of this writer, perhaps the most gifted of all antiquity? Or, it is really true, as some have said, that there was some set of people, who all learned to talk this way, and wrote in John’s name — although, strikingly, he is not named in the Gospel or the letters.</p>
<p>I hadn’t read anything like the Gospel or letters of John, but perhaps there were others who wrote that way. So I went reading, and no, there are no others who wrote that way. I’ve read quite a lot of early church writing now — some of it is boring, some it is silly and credulous, some of it is moving and impressive, but there is nothing anything like the Gospel or the letters.</p>
<p>And I began to wonder, as you can see in some of my posts: is this — the historical study of early church writing — just another field that has fallen into irrelevance with capture by the need for cleverness, for ostentatious learning, for novelty — for <a href="{filename:fascinating_speculations.pdc">fascinating speculations</a>? Has that study wandered into some faint and fantasy realm where they just cannot see — as Lightfoot puts it above — the “historical position in all its bearings”.</p>
<p>Now I read, and read, and forget, trying to keep track of what has happened, what has been said, analysing arguments to find those that are foolish, speculative — and those that are sound, and must be answered.</p>
<p>Of course it’s hard. As Lightfoot says, many, perhaps not most of the people writing about these matters, do have good arguments, that must be answered. But many, perhaps most, perhaps the same people, make assertions that are far too strong, or must be wrong. It is rocky, uneven ground, and full of houses set up, taken down, in ruins, or ruined and rebuilt.</p>
<p>In this strange landscape, I wonder — who did write John? The writer writes very simple Greek, as you can feel in the English — with simpler syntax and a smaller vocabulary than the other Gospel writers. He knows many things about the world of the Gospel that an eye-witness would know, and a forger would not. Maybe it was John, the brother of James, the fisherman. Maybe it was someone else. Now would we know — without falling into safety or speculation?</p>
<p>It’s another one of those big problems — how would I know if I was wrong? — especially here, where I have strong engagements.</p>
<p>That is why.</p>



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  <title>Fascinating speculations</title>
  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._B._Lightfoot">J. B. Lightfoot</a> was a great 19th century scholar of the early church; he is still widely cited.</p>
<p>The quote below is at the end of an essay on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp">Polycarp of Smyrna</a> that he wrote in response to the then-anonymous author of the book <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Richard_Cassels">Supernatural Religion</a> (1874). In this, and other essays responding to the book, collected in <span class="citation" data-cites="lightfoot1889supernatural">Lightfoot (1889)</span>, he is clearly frustrated by what he regards (with much supporting evidence) as the writer’s sloppy, incompetent and partisan analysis of the early church writers. His essay on Polycarp ends (p141) by acknowledging his debts to the critical German theologians of his day, but appealing to his readers “to exercise their judicial faculties independently” in order to see past “fascinating speculations” to understand the “historical position in all its bearings” of the early church writers:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But I would wish to add one caution. No good will ever come from merely working on the lines of modern theorists. Perhaps the reader will forgive me if I add a few words of explanation, for I do not wish to be misunderstood. I should be most ungrateful if, in speaking of German writers, I used the language of mere depreciation. If there is any recent theologian from whom I have learnt more than from another, it is the German Neander. Nor can I limit my obligations to men of this stamp. All diligent students of early Christian history must have derived the greatest advantage on special points from the conscientious research, and frequently also from the acute analysis, even of writers of the most extreme school. But it is high time that the incubus of fascinating speculations should be shaken off, and that Englishmen should learn to exercise their judicial faculty independently. Any one who will take the pains to read Irenaeus through carefully, endeavouring to enter into his historical position in all its bearings, striving to realize what he and his contemporaries actually thought about the writings of the New Testament and what grounds they had for thinking it, and, above all, resisting the temptation to read in modern theories between the lines, will be in a more favourable position for judging rightly of the early history of the Canon than if he had studied all the monographs which have issued from the German press during the last half century.</p>
</blockquote>
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Lightfoot, J. B. 1889. <em>Essays on the Work Entitled Supernatural Religion</em>. Macmillan; Co. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essaysonworkenti00lighiala">https://archive.org/details/essaysonworkenti00lighiala</a>.
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  <title>Eusebius, Papias, Polycrates, Alexander</title>
  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius">Eusebius of Caesarea</a>(c260-339) wrote, among other works, a history of the church until that point, usually called the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_History_(Eusebius)">Ecclesiastical History</a> (EH) — <a href="https://www.bartehrman.com/eusebius-church-history/">316-326 AD</a>.</p>
<p>See <span class="citation" data-cites="lightfoot1880eusebius">Lightfoot (1880)</span> for detail on Eusebius’ life and work.</p>
<section id="eusebius-as-source-for-earlier-writers" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eusebius-as-source-for-earlier-writers">Eusebius as source for earlier writers</h2>
<p>Eusebius is the only source we have for some quotes from earlier writers that give information about the origin of the Gospels.</p>
<p>The sources for these quotes are:</p>
<ul>
<li>Papias of Hierapolis (a set of books around 110 AD).</li>
<li>Polycrates of Ephesus (letter 190-195 AD).</li>
<li>Clement of Alexandria (book 204-210 AD).</li>
<li>Origen, Commentaries (?220 - 240 AD)</li>
<li>Justin Martyr, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue_with_Trypho">Dialogue with Trypho</a> (155-160 AD)</li>
<li>Apollonius of Ephesus (writing around 200 AD)</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysius_of_Alexandria">Dionysius of Alexandria</a> (c190 — 264)</li>
<li>Appolonius of Ephesus (c 210)</li>
</ul>
<section id="papias" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="papias">Papias</h3>
<p>EH quotes from the very early five books of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papias_of_Hierapolis">Papias of Hierapolis</a> called “Exposition of the Sayings of the Lord”; call this ESL. <span class="citation" data-cites="carlson2025foucault_papias">Carlson (2025)</span> estimates the date of ESL as 110 AD (footnote 48). Papias lived in Hierapolis, which is about 200 km from Ephesus, the city in which John’s Gospel is most likely to have been written, and about 220 km from Smyrna, the home of Polycarp and the younger Irenaeus.</p>
<p><span class="citation" data-cites="lightfoot1889supernatural">Lightfoot (1889a)</span> has a chapter on Papias, starting at page 142. He sets out the striking lack of good information we have for definite dates of Papias’ life, or ESL.</p>
<p>Although Eusebius quotes from ESL, it is not clear that Eusebius had access to any of Papias’ five books — he may have been quoting from a secondary source — see <span class="citation" data-cites="stevens2019eusebius_papias">Stevens (2019)</span>.</p>
</section>
<section id="polycrates-of-ephesus" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="polycrates-of-ephesus">Polycrates of Ephesus</h3>
<p>EH has an extended quote from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycrates_of_Ephesus">Polycrates’</a> letter to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Victor_I">Pope Victor</a> about the controversy on the correct day of the year to celebrate Easter.</p>
<p>Virtually all we know about Polycrates is in the letter quoted in EH; from <span class="citation" data-cites="lightfoot1889fathers2_part2_1">Lightfoot (1889b)</span>, p393:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The notices in Irenaeus are further confirmed by the language of his contemporary Polycrates. Polycrates was himself bishop of Ephesus, and the letter of which fragments are preserved (Euseb. H. E. v. 24) was written by him to Victor bishop of Rome, consequently between the years A.D. 189 and a.p. 198 or 199. He there mentions his ‘hoar head’ (πολιᾶς) and speaks of himself as ‘numbering sixty-five years in the Lord’ (ἑξήκοντα πέντε ἔτη ἔχων ἐν Κυρίῳ). Even if this period dates from his birth and not from his conversion, he must have been born within about a quarter of a century after the death of the last surviving Apostle [John], who passed his later years in the Church of Ephesus where Polycrates ruled.</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="clement-of-alexandria" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="clement-of-alexandria">Clement of Alexandria</h3>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria">Clement of Alexandria</a> may have been born in Athens, or in Alexandria, in 140-150 AD <span class="citation" data-cites="mehat1966stromates">(Méhat 1966, p54)</span>. See Wescott’s <span class="citation" data-cites="wescott1877clement_alex">(1877)</span> biography for more background.</p>
<p>EH quotes from two of Clement’s books:</p>
<ul>
<li>“Who is the rich man who is being saved?” and</li>
<li>“Hypotyposes”, also known as (with a different transliteration from Greek) “Hypotyposeis”.</li>
</ul>
<p>Méhat (above), dates both works after the third of Clement’s major works — the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromata">Stromata</a> — where he (and Wikipedia) date the Stromata around 203 AD.</p>
</section>
<section id="origen-of-alexandria" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="origen-of-alexandria">Origen of Alexandria</h3>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen">Origen</a>, (c. 185 – c. 253)</p>
<ul>
<li>Commentary on the Gospel of John</li>
<li>Commentary on Genesis</li>
</ul>
</section>
<section id="apollonius-of-ephesus" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="apollonius-of-ephesus">Apollonius of Ephesus</h3>
<p>From <span class="citation" data-cites="wace1911dictionary">Wace and Piercy (1911)</span>, p35:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Apollonius of Ephesus, so called on the doubtful authority of the writer of Praedestinatus, ed.&nbsp;by Sirmond, who styles him [bishop] of Ephesus, but the silence of Eusebius and all other earlier testimony makes it difficult to lay much stress on this statement.He wrote a work in five books against the Cataphrygian or Montanist heresy. Fragments of the first three books are extant in Eusebius (H. E. y. 18), … Taking for the rise of Montanism the date given in the Chronicon of Eusebius (A.D. 172), this would give about A.D. 210 for the date of this work.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Also see <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_(1913)/Apollonius_of_Ephesus">Apollonius’ entry</a> in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia.</p>
</section>
</section>
<section id="eh-on-the-source-of-the-gospels" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eh-on-the-source-of-the-gospels">EH on the source of the Gospels</h2>
<p>There follow the relevant passages from EH on the authorship of the Gospels. Quotes and page numbers are from <span class="citation" data-cites="lawlor1927eusebius">Eusebius of Caesarea (1927)</span>.</p>
</section>
<section id="key-passages-from-he" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="key-passages-from-he">Key passages from HE</h2>
<section id="he-2.15" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="he-2.15">HE 2.15</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>So then, when the divine Word had thus come to sojourn among them, the power of Simon [[the Samaritan]] was quenched and destroyed simultaneously with the man himself. But so brilliant was the light of piety that shone upon the minds of Peter’s hearers, that they were not content to be satisfied with hearing him once and no more, nor with the unwritten teaching of the divine message; but besought with all kinds of entreaties Mark, whose Gospel is extant, a follower of Peter, that he would leave them in writing also a memoir of the teaching they had received by word of mouth; nor did they relax their efforts until they had prevailed upon the man; and thus they became the originators of the book of the 2 Gospel according to Mark, as it is called. Now it is said that when the apostle learnt, by revelation of the Spirit, what was done, he was pleased with the men’s zeal, and authorized the book to be read in the churches — Clement has given the story in the sixth book of the Hypotyposeis; [[ See vi. 14. 6, 7]] and the bishop of Hierapolis also, Papias by name, corroborates his testimony.[[See iii. 39. 16.]] And [it is said] that Peter mentions Mark in his former epistle; which also it is said he composed at Rome itself, and indicates the fact when he calls the city, somewhat metaphoric- ally, “Babylon,” in these words: She that is in Babylon, elect together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Mark my son.[[1 Peter. v. 13.]], p48.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>McGiffert’s <span class="citation" data-cites="mcgiffert1890eusebius">(Eusebius of Caesarea 1890)</span> footnote to this passage traces the early testimony to the sources of Mark.</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>That Mark wrote the second Gospel under the influence of Peter, or as a record of what he had heard from him, is the universal tradition of antiquity. Papias, in the famous and much-disputed passage (quoted by Eusebius, III. 39, below), is the first to record the tradition. Justin Martyr refers to Mark’s Gospel under the name “Memoirs (ἀπομνημονεύματα) of Peter” (Dial. c. Tryph. 106; the translation in the Ante-Nicene Fathers, Am. Ed. Vol. I. p.&nbsp;252, which refers the αὐτοῦ to Christ, is incorrect; compare Weiss, N. T. Einleitung, p.&nbsp;44, note 4). Irenæus (Adv. Hær. III. 11. 1, quoted below, V. 8. 2), Tertullian (Adv. Marcionem, IV. 5), and Origen (quoted below, VI. 25) confirm the tradition, which is repeated over and over again by the Fathers.</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="he-3.1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="he-3.1">HE 3.1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Such, then, was the plight of the Jews at that time [[during the Jewish revolt, described by Josephus]]. But when the holy apostles and disciples of our Saviour were dispersed over the whole world, Parthia was allotted to Thomas, according to tradition, while Scythia was allotted to Andrew, and Asia to John,</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… with whom [[original footnote: plural (οὑς)]] also he lived, dying at Ephesus. But Peter, it seems, preached in Pontus and Galatia and Bithynia, in Cappadocia and Asia, to those Jews who were of the Dispersion. He also at the last came to Rome, and was crucified head-down- wards; for he requested that he might suffer thus. What need to speak of Paul, who from Jerusalem even unto Illyricum has fully preached the gospel of Christ, and afterwards was martyred at Rome under Nero;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>These are the express terms which Origen uses in the third tome of his Commentaries on Genesis.</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="he-3.18" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="he-3.18">HE 3.18</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>18/ It is recorded that at that time the apostle and evangelist John, being still alive, was condemned to dwell in the island of Patmos for his testimony to the divine word. [[Original footnote: Heg. in J. A. Cramer, Anecd. Greca, ii. 88; and C de Boor, 7.U. v. 2. 169.]]</p>
<p>Indeed, Ireneus, in writing about the number of the name of the Antichrist which is to be found in the Apocalypse of John, as it is called, uses these very words in the fifth book of his work Against the Heresies, with reference to John:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But if it were necessary that his name should be announced openly at this present time, it would have been stated by him who also saw the revelation. For it was seen not long ago, but almost in our own generation, at the close of the principate of Domitian. [[AH 5, 30]] p79</p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="he-3.20" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="he-3.20">HE 3.20</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>…Now after Domitian had ruled for fifteen years and Nerva had succeeded him in the principate, the Senate of the Romans decreed that Domitian’s honours should be taken away, and that those unjustly banished should return to their own homes, and receive back their property as well. This is recorded by 9 those who wrote the history of the period. At that time, then, the record of our ancient men informs us that the apostle John also took up his abode once more at Ephesus after his exile on the island.</p>
<p>21/ But when Nerva had reigned little more than a year, he was succeeded by Trajan. … (p81)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="he-3.23-25" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="he-3.23-25">HE 3.23-25</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>23/ Moreover, there was still alive in Asia and directing the churches there, he whom Jesus loved,[[John xiii. 23; xxi. 7, 20]] apostle alike and evangelist, even John, having returned from his exile on the island after the death of Domitian. And that he survived up to their day — this account is sufficiently accredited by two witnesses, who may be considered worthy of credit, as men who were ambassadors of the orthodoxy of the Church: seeing that such were Ireneus and Clement the Alexandrian. The former of these indeed writes thus in the second book of his work Against the Heresies, in these very words:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… and all the elders who have come in contact with John, the disciple of the Lord, in Asia testify that John delivered. … For he remained with them until the time of Trajan.[[AH, 2, 33. 3]]</p>
</blockquote>
<p>And in the third book of the same work he states this same thing, as follows:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Yea also the church at Ephesus, founded by Paul, and where John remained with them until the time of Trajan, is a truthful witness of the tradition of the apostles. [[AH. 2, 3. 4]]</p>
</blockquote>
<p>But Clement both indicated the time, and also adds a story which such as delight in hearing what is beautiful and helpful should most certainly know. It is in his treatise which he entitled Who is the rich man who is being saved? Take and read this writing of his also; it runs as follows:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… hear a tale that is no mere tale, but a true account of John the apostle, which has been handed down and preserved in memory. For when on the death of the tyrant he removed from the island of Patmos to Ephesus, he used to go off, when requested, to the neighbouring districts of the Gentiles also, to appoint bishops in some places, to organize whole churches in others, in others again to appoint to an order some one of those who were indicated by the Spirit. He came, then, also to a certain city at no great distance, whose very name is told by some, and having otherwise refreshed the brethren, he finally looked at the bishop who presided (for he saw a young man of powerful physique, refined appearance and ardent temperament), and said: “This youth I entrust to thee in all earnestness in the presence of the Church and Christ as witnesses.” On the bishop accepting him and making all promises, the apostle again addressed and adjured him in the same words.</p>
<p>Then he went back to Ephesus, while the presbyter took home his youthful charge, brought him up, kept him by his side, cherished and finally enlightened him. After that he relaxed his excessive care and guardianship, thinking that he had placed over him the perfect guard, the seal of the Lord. But the youth grasped his freedom too soon, and to his ruin fell in with certain idle and dissolute fellows of his own age, of evil habits. First they led him on by costly entertainments; then also they would perhaps take him with them as they sallied forth at night to rob; then they urged him to join them in some even greater crime. He for his part little by little adopted their habits; and like a hard-mouthed and powerful horse he left the straight path, took the bit between his teeth, and rushed down the precipice, the more violently because of his strength of character. And completely despairing of his salvation in God, he was no longer minded to commit some slight offence; but, since he had lost his soul once and for all, determined to do a big thing and suffer a like fate with the rest. So he took these same companions and got together a robber band, of which he was an active chief, the most violent, bloody and cruel of them all.</p>
<p>Time passed, and, some necessity having arisen, they called John back; who, when he had set in order the business that brought him thither, said: “Come now, bishop, return us the deposit, which both Christ and I have committed to thee, in the presence of the church over which thou presidest as witness.” At first the bishop was amazed, thinking that he was being falsely accused with regard to money which he had not received; and he could neither believe a charge about what he did not possess, nor disbelieve John. But when the latter said, “It is the youth that I demand, and the soul of our brother,” the old man heaved a deep sigh, and even shed some tears. “That youth,” said he,”is dead.” “How; and by what kind of death?” “He is dead to God,” he replied; “for he turned out a wicked and abandoned person, in short, a robber; and now he has left the Church to haunt the mountain with a troop of men like himself.” The apostle rent his clothes and smote his head with loud lamentation: “A fine guardian,” said he, “I left of our brother’s soul! Howbeit, provide me with a horse at once, and let me have someone to guide the way.”</p>
<p>He rode right from the church, just as he was; and when he came to the spot and was captured by the robbers’ sentry, he neither made to fly nor protested, but cried aloud: “To this end am I come; bring me to your leader.” The latter for a while awaited them, armed as he was. But when he recognized John as he approached, he was filled with shame and turned to flee. Forgetful of his years John followed after him with all his might, crying aloud: “Why dost thou fly from me, my child; from thy own father, from one unarmed and aged? Have pity on me, my child, fear not. Thou hast still hopes of life. I myself will give account to Christ on thy behalf. If need be, I will willingly endure thy death, as the Lord the death which He suffered on behalf of us. For thy sake I will give my own life in place of thine. Stand, believe; Christ has sent me.” On hearing this the robber at first stood still with downcast eyes, then he threw away his arms, then trembled and wept bitterly. But when the old man drew near he embraced him, pleading his cause, as best he could, with groans; being baptized a second time in his tears, and concealing only his right hand. But the apostle gave his pledge and solemn assurance that he had found forgiveness for him from the Saviour; and praying he kneeled down and kissed that same right hand as if it were now purified by his repentance. Thus he brought him back to the church. And making intercession for him with copious prayers, striving with him in continual fastings, subduing his mind with the varied siren-spell of words, he did not depart, as it is said, until he had set him over the church, thus affording a notable example of true repentance and a notable token of regeneration, a trophy of a resurrection that all might see.</p>
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<p>24/ I have placed here this extract from Clement both for its historical interest and for the profit of such as shall read it.</p>
<p>But come, let us now indicate also the unquestionable writings of this apostle. And let his Gospel, recognized by the churches under heaven, be first acknowledged. That indeed it has with good reason been reckoned by the ancients in the fourth place after the other three, may be made clear in this way. Those inspired and truly divine men, I mean the apostles of Christ, had purified their lives exceedingly and adorned their souls with every virtue; but in speech they were uncultivated. They verily placed their confidence in the divine, wonder-working power truly bestowed upon them by the Saviour; they neither knew how, nor attempted, to present the teachings of the Master in persuasive and skilful words, but they used only the demonstration of the divine Spirit which was working with them, and the wonder-working power of Christ which found its fulfilment through them. Thus they published the knowledge of the kingdom of heaven throughout the whole world, paying little heed to the desire for writing books. And such was their practice, inasmuch as they were aided by a greater and more than human ministry. For instance, Paul, who excelled them all in the power of composition and in fertility of thought, has committed to writing nothing but the briefest of epistles; although he had countless unutterable things to relate, since he had attained to the sights even of the third heaven, and was caught up to the divine Paradise itself, and deemed worthy to hear the unspeakable words there. And, indeed, the rest of the followers of our Saviour — the twelve apostles, the seventy disciples, and countless others as well—were not without these same experiences</p>
<p>Yet out of them all Matthew and John alone have left us memoirs of the Lord’s discourses; and they, it is recorded, only came to write under compulsion. For Matthew first of all preached to Hebrews; and when he was about to go also to others he committed his Gospel to writing in his native tongue: thus he made his writing compensate those from whom he was departing for the lack of his bodily presence. And when Mark and Luke had already published their Gospels, it is said that John, who all the time had used unwritten preaching, at last came also to write, for the following reason. Those three which we mentioned above having come already into the hands of all, including his own, it is said that he accepted them and attested their truth; but [expressed the opinion] that the narrative only lacked, it seems, an account of what had been done by Christ first of all and at the beginning of the preaching.</p>
<p>And this statement is indeed true. For instance, one can see at a glance that the three evangelists have only recorded the deeds of the Saviour for one year after the shutting up in prison of John the Baptist, and that they indicated this very fact at the beginning of their account. Thus, after the forty days’ fast and the temptation that ensued, Matthew informs us as to the chronology of his work by saying, <em>Now when he heard that John was delivered up, he withdrew from Judea into Galilee</em>;[[Matt. iv. 12.]] and Mark likewise says, <em>Now after that John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee</em>; [[Mark i. 14]], and Luke too, before he begins the acts of Jesus, makes a similar observation, declaring that <em>Herod, in adding to the evil things he had committed, shut up John in prison.</em>[[Luke iti. 19, 20.]]</p>
<p>It is said, then, that the apostle John for these reasons was called upon to give in his Gospel the period which the former evangelists had passed over in silence, and the deeds of the Saviour during that period (and these were before the shutting up of the Baptist); and that he indicated this very fact, when on one occasion he said, This beginning of his marvels did Jesus,[[John ii. 11]] and when on another he mentioned the Baptist, in the midst of an account of the acts of Jesus, as still at that time <em>baptizing in Aenon near to Salim; and that he shows this clearly when he says, For John was not yet cast into prison.</em>[[John iii. 23, 24]]</p>
<p>Therefore John in writing his Gospel gives us the things which Christ did before the Baptist was cast into prison; but the remaining three evangelists mention those done after the shutting up of the Baptist in the dungeon. And anyone who understands this can no longer imagine that the Gospels are at variance with one another, because the Gospel according to John contains the first acts of Christ, but the remaining Gospels contain the record of what He did at the close of the period; but would therefore regard it as natural that, while John passed over in silence the genealogy according to the flesh of our Saviour, inasmuch as it had been previously set down by Matthew and Luke, he should begin with the doctrine of His divinity, since the divine Spirit had reserved that for him as their superior.</p>
<p>This, then, must suffice as to the writing of the Gospel according to John; and we have stated above the cause which led to the writing of that according to Mark. But Luke has himself at the beginning of his treatise prefixed the cause which had led him to its composition: showing that many others had somewhat rashly taken it upon them to compose a narrative of those things of which he had been fully persuaded; and so, feeling himself bound to free us from our doubt and suspicion as to the others, he gave us in his own Gospel the certain record of those events whose truth he had firmly grasped by the aid of his intercourse and stay with Paul and his converse with the other apostles.[[Luke i. 1-4]] So much for our own account of these things. But in a more suitable place we shall endeavour to show by means of quotations from the ancients what others also have said about them.</p>
<p>And as to the treatises of John, the former of the epistles, as well as the Gospel, has been acknowledged as undisputed, both by the men of to-day and by the ancients also; but the remaining two are disputed. As to the Apocalypse, the opinion of the majority is still to this day divided one way or the other. But at the proper time this question also will be likewise decided by the testimony of the ancients.</p>
<p>25/ But now that we have reached this point, it is reasonable to sum up the writings of the New Testament already mentioned. Well then, we must set in the first place the holy quaternion of the Gospels; which are followed by the book of the Acts of the Apostles. After this we must reckon the epistles of Paul; following which we must pronounce genuine the extant former epistle of John, and likewise the epistle of Peter. After these we must place, if it really seem right, the Apocalypse of John, the views that have been held as to which we shall set forth at the proper time. These, then, [are to be placed] among the acknowledged writings. But of those which are disputed, nevertheless familiar to the majority, there is extant the epistle of James, as it is called; and that of Jude; and the second epistle of Peter; and the second and third of John, so named, whether they belong to the evangelist or perhaps to some other of the same name as he. Among the spurious writings there are to be placed also the book of the Acts of Paul, and the Shepherd, as it is called, and the Apocalypse of Peter; and, in addition to these, the extant epistle of Barnabas, and the Teachings of the Apostles, as it is called; and, moreover, as I said, the Apocalypse of John, if it seem right. (This last, as I said, is rejected by some, but 5 others give it a place among the acknowledged writings.)…</p>
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<p>The sequence above starts on page 82 of <span class="citation" data-cites="lawlor1927eusebius">Eusebius of Caesarea (1927)</span>.</p>
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<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="he-3.31">HE 3.31</h3>
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<p>Now indeed as regards Paul and Peter, we have already on a former occasion shown both the time and manner of their death, and, as well, the spot where their tabernacles were laid after they departed this life. But as for John, while we have already stated after a fashion the time [of his death],[[HE 3,23]] we must go to the epistle of Polycrates (who was bishop of the community at Ephesus) to show us the place where his tabernacle lies. In writing this epistle to Victor, bishop of the Romans, he mentions John and, together with him, Philip the apostle and his daughters, somewhat as follows :</p>
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<p>For indeed in Asia great luminaries have fallen asleep, such as shall rise again at the last day, the day of the Lord’s appearing, when He comes with glory from heaven to seek out all His saints: to wit, Philip, one of the twelve apostles, who has fallen asleep in Hierapolis, [as have] also his two daughters who grew old in virginity, and his other daughter who lived in the Holy Spirit and rests at Ephesus; and, moreover, [there is] John too, who leant back on the Lord’s breast,[[John xiii. 25]] who was [[original footnote: or “became”]] a priest, wearing the sacerdotal plate, both martyr and teacher. He has fallen asleep at Ephesus. (p91)</p>
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<section id="he-3.36" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="he-3.36">HE 3.36</h3>
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<p>36/ But to resume. In their day in Asia a companion of the apostles, Polycarp, was in eminence: he had been entrusted with the episcopate of the church at Smyrna by the eye-witnesses and ministers of the Lord. In his day Papias was well known, also a bishop, but of the community at Hierapolis; as was also Ignatius, he whose name is still to this day on the lips of very many, who was the second in the succession from Peter at Antioch to receive the episcopate.</p>
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<section id="he-3.39" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="he-3.39">HE 3.39</h3>
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<p>39/ But of Papias there are five treatises extant, which also have been entitled Expositions of the Dominical Oracles. These Irenaeus also mentions as his only writings, saying somewhat as follows:</p>
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<p>And these things Papias also, who was a hearer of John and a companion of Polycarp, a man of primitive times, attests in writing in the fourth of his books. For there are five books composed by him.[[AH. v. 33]]</p>
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<p>So, indeed, says Irenaeus. Nevertheless Papias himself, in the preface to his discourses, makes it plain that he was in no sense a hearer and eye-witness of the holy apostles; but tells us, by the language he uses, that he had received the things pertaining to the faith from those who were their pupils:</p>
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<p>But I will not hesitate also to set down for thy benefit, along with the interpretations, all that ever I carefully learnt and carefully recalled from the elders, guaranteeing its truth. For I did not take delight, as most men do, in those who have much to say, but in those who teach what is true; not in those who recall foreign commandments, but in those who recall the commandments given by the Lord to faith, and reaching us from the truth itself. And if anyone chanced to come who had actually been a follower of the elders, I would enquire as to the discourses of the elders, what Andrew or what Peter said, or what Philip, or what Thomas or James, or what John or Matthew or any other of the Lord’s disciples; and the things which Aristion and John the elder, disciples of the Lord, say. For I supposed that things out of books did not profit me so much as the utterances of a voice which liveth and abideth.</p>
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<p>Here it is worth while noting that twice in his enumeration he mentions the name John: the former of these Johns he puts in the same list with Peter and James and Matthew and the other apostles, clearly indicating the evangelist; but the latter he places with others, in a separate clause, outside the number of the apostles, placing Aristion before him; and he clearly calls him “elder.” So that he hereby also proves their statement to be true who have said that two persons in Asia have borne the same name, and that there were two tombs at Ephesus, each of which is still to this day said to be John’s. And to these details one must needs pay attention, for it is likely that the second (if one is unwilling to admit that it was the first) saw the Revelation which is extant under the name of John. And Papias, of whom we are now speaking, acknowledges that he received the discourses of the apostles from those who had been their followers, but says that he was himself an actual hearer of Aristion and of John the elder. Certainly he mentions them by name frequently in his treatises and sets forth their traditions.</p>
<p>So much, then, for these points which, it is hoped, we have not adduced to no purpose. But it is right to add to the words of Papias which we have quoted other sayings, in which he relates some other miraculous events likewise, as having come down to him by tradition. It has been shown, indeed, by what has gone before, that Philip the apostle resided in Hierapolis with his daughters; but now it must be pointed out that Papias, their contemporary, mentions that he had a wonderful story from the daughters of Philip. For he relates that the resurrection of a dead body took place in his day; and, on the other hand, he tells of another miraculous happening, concerned with Justus who was surnamed Barsabbas: that he drank a deadly poison and, by the grace of the Lord, suffered no unpleasant effects.</p>
<p>The book of the Acts records that, after the ascension of the Saviour, the holy apostles put forward this Justus along with Matthias and prayed as to the lot [which was to be taken] to fill up the place in their number vacated by the traitor Judas. The passage runs somewhat as follows:</p>
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<p>And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed and said … [[Acts i. 17, 23, 24]]</p>
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<p>And the same writer has quoted other things also, as coming to him from unwritten tradition; for instance, certain strange parables of the Saviour and teachings of His, and some other things of a rather mythical character. And among these is his statement that there will be a certain period of a thousand years after the resurrection from the dead, when the kingdom of Christ will be set up in a material order upon this earth. I imagine that he got these ideas through a misinterpretation of the apostolic accounts, for he did not understand what they said mystically and in figurative language. For he evidently was a man of exceedingly small intelligence, as one might say judging from his discourses; nevertheless it was owing to him that so very many churchmen after him adopted a like opinion, taking their stand on the fact that he was a man of primitive times: as, for example, Irenaeus and all others who have given evident expression to like views. And, besides, Papias gives us in his work accounts of the aforesaid Aristion of the sayings of the Lord, and traditions of John the elder.</p>
<p>While we refer scholars to these, we shall now of necessity add to the words of his already quoted a tradition which he has set forth concerning Mark who wrote the Gospel. It is in these words:</p>
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<p>This also the elder used to say. Mark, indeed, having been the interpreter of Peter, wrote accurately, howbeit not in order, all that he recalled of what was either said or done by the Lord. For he neither heard the Lord, nor was he a follower of His, but, at a later date (as I said), of Peter ; who used to adapt his instructions to the needs [of the moment], but not with a view to putting together the Dominical oracles in orderly fashion: so that Mark did no wrong in thus writing some things as he recalled them. For he kept a single aim in view: not to omit anything of what he heard, nor to state anything therein falsely.</p>
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<p>Such, then, is Papias’ account of Mark. But the following is the statement concerning Matthew :</p>
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<p>So then, Matthew compiled the oracles in the Hebrew language ; but everyone interpreted them as he was able.</p>
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<p>And the same writer has used testimonies drawn from the former epistle of John, and likewise from that of Peter; and he has set forth, as well, another story about a woman accused falsely of many sins before the Lord, which the Gospel of the Hebrews contains. So much, then, for these things which of necessity we have noted, in addition to what has been already set forth. (p99)</p>
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<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eh-4.18">EH 4.18</h3>
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<p>… And he [[Justin]] writes also that even as late as his day prophetical gifts were a conspicuous feature in the Church. And he mentions the Apocalypse of John, saying clearly that it was the apostle’s. [[Just., Dial. 81]] p126</p>
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<section id="eh-5.10" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eh-5.10">EH 5.10</h3>
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<p>Now, it is said that he [[Pantaenus]] displayed such ardent love and zeal for the divine word that he was appointed as a herald of the Gospel of Christ to the nations of the East, and that he journeyed even as far as the land of the Indians. For there were, yes, even still at that time, many evangelists of the word, desirous to contribute an inspired zeal, after the manner of the apostles, for the increase and building up of the divine word. Pantaenus also was one of these, and is mentioned as having gone to India; and the story goes that there he found, in the hands of some persons who had come to know Christ in that land, the Gospel according to Matthew, which had anticipated his arrival; for that Bartholomew, one of the apostles, had preached to them and left behind the writing of Matthew in the actual Hebrew characters, and that it was preserved up to the said time. (p155)</p>
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<section id="eh-5.18" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eh-5.18">EH 5.18</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>18/ But an ecclesiastical writer called Apollonius also undertook to refute the Phrygian heresy, as it is called, when it was then still at its height in Phrygia; …</p>
<p>… And he also mentions one Thraseas as a martyr at that time. And he says too, relying on tradition, that the Saviour had ordered His apostles not to depart from Jerusalem for twelve years; and he also makes use of testimonies drawn from the Apocalypse of John; and he records that a dead man had, through the divine power, been raised at Ephesus by John himself;… (p164)</p>
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<section id="eh-5.22" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eh-5.22">EH 5.22</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… In their time [[Pope Victor, Demetrius of Alexandria …]] Bacchyllus was bishop of Corinth in Greece, and Polycrates of the community at Ephesus. (p168)</p>
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<section id="eh-5.24" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eh-5.24">EH 5.24</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But of those bishops in Asia who confidently affirmed that they ought to keep to the custom which they had received from days of yore, Polycrates was the leader. And he too sets forth the tradition which h ad come down to him, in the letter he penned to Victor and the church of the Romans, in the following words:</p>
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<p>As for us, then, we keep the day without tampering with it, neither adding, nor subtracting. For indeed in Asia great luminaries have fallen asleep, such as shall rise again on the day of the Lord’s appearing, when He comes with glory from heaven to seek out all his saints: to wit, Philip, one of the twelve apostles, who has fallen asleep in Hierapolis, [as have] also his two daughters who grew old in virginity, and his other daughter who lived in the Holy Spirit and rests at Ephesus; and, moreover, [there is] John too, he who leant back on the Lord’s breast,[[John xiii. 25.]] who was [[original footnote: or “became”]] a priest, wearing the sacerdotal plate, both martyr and teacher. He has fallen asleep at Ephesus. Moreover, Polycarp too at Smyrna, both bishop and martyr; and Thraseas, both bishop and martyr, of Eumenia, who has fallen asleep at Smyrna. And why need I mention Sagaris, bishop and martyr, who has fallen asleep at Laodicea? or the blessed Papirius, or Melito the eunuch who in all things lived in the Holy Spirit, who lies at Sardis, awaiting the visitation from heaven, when he shall rise from the dead? These all observed the fourteenth day for the Pascha according to the Gospel, in no way deviating therefrom, but following the rule of faith. And moreover I also, Polycrates, the least of you all, [do] according to the tradition of my kinsmen, some of whom also I have followed closely. Seven of my kinsmen were bishops, and I am the eighth. And my kinsmen always kept the day when the people put away the leaven. Therefore I for my part, brethren, who number sixty-five years in the Lord and have conversed with the brethren from all parts of the world and traversed the entire range of holy Scripture, am not affrighted by threats. For those better than I have said, We must obey God rather than men.</p>
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<p>Then he goes on to add as follows, with reference to the bishops present at his writing who held the same view as he did:</p>
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<p>But I could mention the bishops present with me, whom I summoned when ye yourselves desired that I should summon them. And if I were to write their names, the number thereof would be great. But they who know my littleness approved my letter, knowing that I did not wear my grey hairs in vain, but that I have ever lived in Christ Jesus. (p168)</p>
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<section id="eh-6.14" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eh-6.14">EH 6.14</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And in [2] the Hypotyposeis, to speak briefly, he [[Clement]] has given concise explanations of all the Canonical Scriptures, not passing over even the disputed writings, I mean the Epistle of Jude and the.remaining Catholic Epistles, and the Epistle of Barnabas, and the Apocalypse known as Peter’s. And as for the Epistle to the Hebrews, he says indeed that it is Paul’s, but that it was written for Hebrews in the Hebrew tongue, and that Luke, having carefully translated it, published it for the Greeks; hence, as a result of this translation, the same complexion of style is found in this Epistle and in the Acts: but that the [words] “Paul an apostle” were naturally not prefixed. For, says he,</p>
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<p>in writing to Hebrews who had conceived a prejudice against him and were suspicious of him, he very wisely did not repel them at the beginning by putting his name.</p>
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<p>Then lower down he adds:</p>
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<p>But now, as the blessed elder<sup>1</sup> used to say, since the Lord, being the apostle? of the Almighty, was sent to the Hebrews, Paul, through modesty, since he had been sent to the Gentiles, does not inscribe himself as an apostle of the Hebrews, both to give due deference to the Lord and because he wrote to the Hebrews also out of his abundance, being a preacher and apostle of the Gentiles.</p>
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<p>And again in the same books Clement has inserted a tradition of the primitive elders with regard to the order of the Gospels, as follows. He said that those Gospels were first written which include the genealogies, but that the Gospel according to Mark came into being in this manner: When Peter had publicly preached the word at Rome, and by the Spirit had proclaimed the Gospel, that those present, who were many, exhorted Mark, as one who had followed him for a long time and remembered what had been spoken, to make a record of what was said; and that he did this, and distributed the Gospel among those that asked him. And that when the matter came to Peter’s knowledge he neither strongly forbade it nor urged it forward. But that John, last of all, conscious that the outward facts had been set forth in the Gospels, was urged on by his disciples, and, divinely moved by the Spirit, composed a spiritual Gospel. This is Clement’s account. (p188)</p>
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</section>
<section id="eh-625" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eh-625">EH 6:25</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… But in the first of his [[Origen’s]] [Commentaries] on the Gospel according to Matthew, defending the canon of the Church, he gives his testimony that he knows only four Gospels, writing somewhat as follows:</p>
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<p>… as having learnt by tradition concerning the four Gospels, which alone are unquestionable in the Church of God under heaven, that first was written that according to Matthew, who was once a tax-collector but afterwards an apostle of Jesus Christ, who published it for those who from Judaism came to believe, composed as it was in the Hebrew language. Secondly, that according to Mark, who wrote it in accordance with Peter’s instructions, whom also Peter acknowledged as his son in the catholic epistle, speaking in these terms: <em>She that is in Babylon, elect together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Mark my son</em>.[[1 Pet v. 13]] And thirdly, that according to Luke, who wrote, for those who from the Gentiles [came to believe], the Gospel that was praised by Paul. After them all, that according to John.</p>
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<p>And in the fifth of his Expositions on the Gospel according to John the same person says this with reference to the epistles of the apostles:</p>
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<p>But he who was made sufficient to become a minister of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the spirit, even Paul, who fully preached the Gospel from Jerusalem and round about even unto Illyricum, did not so much as write to all the churches that he taught; and even to those to which he wrote he sent but a few lines. And Peter, on whom the Church of Christ is built, against which the gates of Hades shall not prevail, has left one acknowledged epistle, and, it may be, a second also; for it is doubted. Why need I speak of him who leaned back on Jesus’ breast,[[John xiii. 25.]] John, who has left behind one Gospel, confessing that he could write so many that even the world itself could not contain them;” and he wrote also the Apocalypse, being ordered to keep silence and not to write the voices of seven thunders? [[Rev. x. 3, 4]] He has left also an epistle of a very few lines, and, it may be, a second and a third; for not all say that these are genuine. Only, the two of them together are not a hundred lines long.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Furthermore, he thus discusses the Epistle to the Hebrews, in his Homilies upon it:</p>
<p>That the character of the diction of the epistle entitled To the Hebrews has not the apostle’s rudeness in speech, who confessed himself rude in speech,[[2.Cor. xi. 6]] that is, in style, but that the epistle is better Greek in the framing of its diction, will be admitted by everyone who is able to discern differences of style. But again, on the other hand, that the thoughts of the epistle are admirable, and not inferior to the acknowledged writings of the apostle, to this also everyone will consent as true who has given attention to reading the apostle.</p>
<p>Further on, he adds the following remarks:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But as for myself, if I were to state my own opinion, I should say that the thoughts are the apostle’s, but that the style and composition belong to one who called to mind the apostle’s teachings and, as it were, made short notes of what his master said. If any church, therefore, holds this epistle as Paul’s, let it be commended for this also. For not without reason have the men of old time handed it down as Paul’s. But who wrote the epistle, in truth God knows. Yet the account which has reached us [is twofold], some saying that Clement, who was bishop of the Romans, wrote the epistle, others, that it was Luke, he who wrote the Gospel and the Acts… (p197)</p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="eh-7.25" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="eh-7.25">EH 7.25</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>25/ Then, in due course, lower down he [[Dionysius]] speaks thus, with reference to the Apocalypse of John :</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Some indeed of those before our time rejected and altogether impugned the book, examining it chapter by chapter and declaring it to be unintelligible and illogical, and its title false. For they say that it is not John’s, no, nor yet an apocalypse (unveiling), since it is veiled by its great thick curtain of unintelligibility ; and that the author of this book was not only not one of the apostles, nor even one of the saints or those belonging to the Church, but Cerinthus, the same who created the sect called “Cerinthian” after him, since he desired to affix to his own forgery a name worthy of credit. … … After completing the whole, one might say, of his prophecy, the prophet calls those blessed who observe it, and indeed himself also. For he says: Blessed is he that keepeth the words of the prophecy of this book, and I John, he that saw and heard these things. I will not gainsay the fact that he was certainly named John and that this book is by one John, for I fully allow that it is the work of some holy and inspired person. But I should not readily agree that he was the apostle, the son of Zebedee, the brother of James, whose are the Gospel entitled According to John and the Catholic Epistle. For I form my judgment from the character of each and from the nature of the language and from what is known as the general construction of the book, that [the John therein mentioned] is not the same. For the evangelist nowhere adds his name, nor yet proclaims himself, throughout either the Gospel or the Epistle. …</p>
<p>… I hold that there have been many persons of the same name as John the apostle, … But I think that there was a certain other [John] among those that were in Asia, since it is said both that there were two tombs at Ephesus, and that each of the two is said to be John’s. …</p>
<p>… In a word, it is obvious that those who observe their character throughout will see at a glance that the Gospel and Epistle have one and the same complexion. But the Apocalypse is utterly different from, and foreign to, these writings; it has no connexion, no affinity, in any way with them; it scarcely, so to speak, has even a syllable in common with them. … (p237)</p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</section>
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<div id="quarto-appendix" class="default"><section class="quarto-appendix-contents" id="quarto-bibliography"><h2 class="anchored quarto-appendix-heading">References</h2><div id="refs" class="references csl-bib-body hanging-indent">
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Carlson, Stephen C. 2025. <span>“The Imposition of Authorship: Michel Foucault’s Author-Function and Papias of Hierapolis on the Gospel of Mark.”</span> <em>Harvard Theological Review</em> 118 (2): 242–63. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1017/S0017816025100680">https://doi.org/10.1017/S0017816025100680</a>.
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Eusebius of Caesarea. 1890. <em>The Church History of Eusebius</em>. Edited by Philip Schaff and Henry Wace. Translated by Arthur Cushman McGiffert. Vol. 1. Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series. Christian Literature Publishing Company. <a href="https://archive.org/details/eusebiuschurchhi0001euse">https://archive.org/details/eusebiuschurchhi0001euse</a>.
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Eusebius of Caesarea. 1927. <em>The Ecclesiastical History and the Martyrs of Palestine</em>. Translated by Hugh Jackson Lawlor and John Ernest Leonard Oulton. Vol. 1. Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge / The Macmillan Co. <a href="https://archive.org/details/ecclesiasticalhi01euse">https://archive.org/details/ecclesiasticalhi01euse</a>.
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Goodspeed, Edgar J. 1942. <em>A History of Early Christian Literature</em>. University of Chicago Press. <a href="https://archive.org/details/historyofearlych00good">https://archive.org/details/historyofearlych00good</a>.
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Lightfoot, J. B. 1880. <span>“Eusebius of Caesarea.”</span> In <em>A Dictionary of Christian Biography, Literature, Sects and Doctrines</em>, edited by William Smith and Henry Wace, vol. 2. John Murray. <a href="https://archive.org/details/india.history.resource.87862">https://archive.org/details/india.history.resource.87862</a>.
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Lightfoot, J. B. 1889a. <em>Essays on the Work Entitled Supernatural Religion</em>. Macmillan; Co. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essaysonworkenti00lighiala">https://archive.org/details/essaysonworkenti00lighiala</a>.
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Lightfoot, J. B. 1889b. <em>The Apostolic Fathers: A Revised Text with Introductions, Notes, Dissertations, and Translations</em>. 2nd ed. Vol. 1. Macmillan; Co. <a href="https://archive.org/details/apostolicfathep2v1clemuoft">https://archive.org/details/apostolicfathep2v1clemuoft</a>.
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Méhat, André. 1966. <em>Étude Sur Les <span>“<em>Stromates</em>”</span> de Cl<span>é</span>ment d’alexandrie</em>. Patristica Sorbonensia 7. Éditions du Seuil. <a href="https://archive.org/details/etude-sur-les-stormates-de-clement-dalexandrie-by-par-andre-meh">https://archive.org/details/etude-sur-les-stormates-de-clement-dalexandrie-by-par-andre-meh</a>.
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Stevens, Luke J. 2019. <span>“Did <span>Eusebius</span> Read <span>Papias</span>?”</span> <em>The Journal of Theological Studies</em> 70 (1): 163–83. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1093/jts/flz006">https://doi.org/10.1093/jts/flz006</a>.
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Wace, Henry, and William C. Piercy, eds. 1911. <em>A Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature to the End of the Sixth Century a.d., with an Account of the Principal Sects and Heresies</em>. John Murray.
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Wescott, Brooke Foss. 1877. <span>“Clement of Alexandria.”</span> In <em>A Dictionary of Christian Biography, Literature, Sects and Doctrines</em>, edited by William Smith and Henry Wace, vol. 1. Little, Brown; Company. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofchwace01smituoft">https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofchwace01smituoft</a>.
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<li id="fn1"><p>The “blessed elder” is likely to have been Clement’s teacher, Pantaenus: “It was Pantaenus (‘the blessed presbyter’) who taught Clement that Paul was the author of Hebrews (Church History vi. 14. 4) …” <span class="citation" data-cites="goodspeed1942history">(Goodspeed 1942, p200)</span>.↩︎</p></li>
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  <title>Irenaeus and the author of John’s Gospel</title>
  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
  <link>https://asterisk.dynevor.org/posts/irenaeus-john/</link>
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<section id="the-central-question" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="the-central-question">The central question</h2>
<p>Church tradition has the apostle John as the author of the Gospel according to John, and the three letters of John (1 John, 2 John, 3 John).</p>
<p>By “the apostle John” I mean John, son of Zebedee, brother of James, one of the twelve named apostles in the Gospels. At the beginning of e.g.&nbsp;Mark (Mark 1:16-20), he is a fisherman, working in a business with his brother and father:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Now walking beside the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother, sons of Simon, casting a net in the sea; for they were fishermen. And Jesus said to them, Come-here after me and I will make you to become fishermen of men. And immediately they left their nets and followed him. And he advanced a few feet from there and saw James and John his brother, the sons of Zebedee, and they were in the ship mending the nets. And immediately he called them, and they left their father Zebedee with the hired-hands in the ship and went after him. (Modern Literal Version - MLV)<sup>1</sup></p>
</blockquote>
<p>For reasons that will soon become clear, I will call this person “John son of Zebedee” or JsZ for short.</p>
<p>For the moment, I’ll assume that there is a single primary author of John’s Gospel. Let’s say we don’t know who that author is. So we’ll call this person the “Author of John’s Gospel” or AJG for short.</p>
<p>For reasons I won’t detail here, but discussed in <span class="citation" data-cites="lightfoot1904biblical_essays">Lightfoot (1904)</span> (chapter I, p3) and most famously described in <span class="citation" data-cites="dodd1963historical">Dodd (1963)</span>, there is internal evidence that AJG knew geographical and historical details of first-century Palestine and Jerusalem and Judaism, that make it tempting to assume that AJG was an eye-witness. JsZ would have been such an eye-witness. But was he the author of John?</p>
<p>The Gospel itself indicates that it was written by “the disciple whom Jesus loved”, otherwise written as “the beloved disciple”. From John 21:21-22,24:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But Peter turned again and sees the disciple whom Jesus loved following; who also leaned-back upon his chest at the supper and who had said, Lord, who is he who is giving you up? … This is the disciple who is testifying concerning these things and wrote these things and we know that his testimony is true.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>For various reasons, it seems likely that we are to understand it was this disciple who was the “other disciple” that went with Peter to the house of the High Priest while Jesus was being tried (John 18:15-16):</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Now Simon Peter was following Jesus and the other disciple. Now that disciple was known to the high-priest and entered in together-with Jesus into the courtyard of the high-priest; but Peter stood outside before the door. Therefore, the other disciple, who was known to the high-priest, went forth and spoke to the doorkeeper and led in Peter. (MLV)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>It’s possible, but hard, to see how a fisherman, even someone who worked in a business with hired hands, would have been “known to the high-priest”.</p>
<p>One response to this and other difficulties, is to suggest that John, the beloved disciple, was a disciple named John, other than JsZ. Martin Hengel made this proposal in <span class="citation" data-cites="hengel1989johannine">Hengel (1989)</span>, followed by <span class="citation" data-cites="bauckham1993papias">Bauckham (1993)</span> and others.</p>
<p>However, there is a hard test for this hypothesis, in the form of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus">Irenaeus of Lyons</a>. He wrote several works in the late second century, listed below, that cite John and refer to the authorship of the Gospel and letters. He would have had good reason to know who had written the Gospel and letters, because he had been a disciple of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp">Polycarp</a> (c69 AD - c155 AD), who had in turn been taught by a John who had seen Jesus. Irenaeus writes, in his letter to Florinus:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>I can even describe the place where the blessed Polycarp used to sit and discourse — his going out, too, and his coming in — his general mode of life and personal appearance, together with the discourses which he delivered to the people; also how he would speak of his familiar intercourse with John, and with the rest of those who had seen the Lord; and how he would call their words to remembrance.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>As we will see, it must be this John that Irenaeus believes to be AJG.</p>
<p>So, there is a strong eye-witness tradition linking AJG to Irenaeus, through Polycarp, and perhaps through <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pothinus">Pothinus</a>, Irenaeus’ predecessor as Bishop of Lyons, who may also have been a disciple of Polycarp.</p>
<p>The test for the Hengel / Bauckham hypothesis, is whether Irenaeus’ substantial extant writings can reasonably be read on the understanding that Irenaeus knew that AJG was not JsZ, but another disciple of Jesus, also called John.</p>
<p>That is the theme for the rest of the page, starting with some discussion and summary, and ending with all evidence I could bring to bear from Irenaeus’ writing.</p>
<p>As <a href="../fascinating-speculations/">J&nbsp;B. Lightfoot</a> points out, it is worth reading Irenaeus directly on his testimony to the four Gospels, and especially John:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>If any reader is really in earnest on [the four-Gospel Canon], I will ask him to read Irenaeus and judge for himself. He will find many things for which perhaps he is not prepared, and which will jar with his preconceived ideas; but on the one point at issue I have no fear that I shall be accused of exaggeration. Indeed it is impossible to convey in a few paragraphs the whole force of an impression which is deepened by each successive page of a long and elaborate work. <span class="citation" data-cites="lightfoot1889supernatural">(Lightfoot 1889, p271)</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>To anticipate, it does seem to me that Irenaeus’ writing is compatible with AJG as JsZ, or with AJG being another of Jesus’ disciples, also called John. It’s striking that AJG in Irenaeus is very specifically and often called “the disciple of the Lord”, which seems to have been a familiar title of AJG, and no other disciple. Perhaps this suggests “the disciple whom Jesus loved” of the Gospel text.</p>
<p>See “Summary of results” below for more detail.</p>
</section>
<section id="irenaeus-and-his-texts" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="irenaeus-and-his-texts">Irenaeus and his texts</h2>
<p>Irenaeus’ life and writing are summarized in:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus">Wikipedia on Irenaeus</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Irenaeus">Britannica on Irenaeus</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.ntcanon.org/Irenaeus.shtml">Development of the NT Canon: Irenaeus</a></li>
</ul>
<p>His known works are: (see Britannica):</p>
<ul>
<li>Against heresies (AH)</li>
<li>Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching (DAP)</li>
<li>Various fragments.</li>
</ul>
<p>Eusebius of Caesarea quotes from, and refers to Irenaeus’ work in his <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_History_(Eusebius)">Ecclesiastical History</a> (EH) — <a href="https://www.bartehrman.com/eusebius-church-history/">316-326 AD</a> (also see <a href="https://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/eusebius/lightfoot.htm">J. B. Lightfoot’s biography of Eusebius</a>).</p>
</section>
<section id="use-of-john-and-apostle-in-irenaeus-writing" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="use-of-john-and-apostle-in-irenaeus-writing">Use of John and “apostle” in Irenaeus’ writing</h2>
<p>Most of the quotes here are from Irenaeus’ five books of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_Heresies">Against Heresies</a> — abbreviated AH, but I also cover Irenaeus’ other known work, as you’ll see below.</p>
<p>The quotes below record all mentions of “John” and “apostle” in Irenaeus, to document who Irenaeus thinks John is, and how Irenaeus uses the term “apostle”, and whether, and in what sense, Irenaeus considered John to be an apostle.</p>
</section>
<section id="sources" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sources">Sources</h2>
<p><span class="citation" data-cites="anf01">Roberts and Donaldson (1885a)</span> has the full text in English translation. <span class="citation" data-cites="harvey1857sancti_irenaei_2">Harvey (1857)</span> is an edition of the Latin text that is our main source for AH. I refer to the AH text below by book number, chapter number (in Roman numerals), section number, and Roberts page number — e.g AH 4, XXXV:2 p513. The <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch">Bibliothek der Kirchenväter site</a> (BKV) has Roberts’ text as clean web pages, to which I link below.</p>
<p>As a side-note, we aren’t likely to have any difficulty using the English translation for “apostle”, as Greek αποστολος is Latin <em>apostolus</em>.</p>
</section>
<section id="summary-of-results" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="summary-of-results">Summary of results</h2>
<section id="john-the-disciple-of-the-lord" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="john-the-disciple-of-the-lord">John the disciple of the Lord</h3>
<p>When referring to John the author, Irenaeus very often uses the set phrase “John, the disciple of the Lord” (14 times of 49 total uses of “John” other than John the Baptist). There are two places where he indicates John by “disciple of the lord”, or “His disciple”, without naming him, although John is clear from the context: AH 3, XI:3, AH 3, XVI:8. He does not use the phrase “disciple of the Lord” of any other person, though he several times refers in general to the “disciples of the Lord” or “His disciples” in AH 2, II:5; AH 3, XII:4-5 (twice); AH 3, XII:13; AH 3, XVI:5; AH 5, XXXIV:3.</p>
<p>So “disciple of [the,our] Lord”, or “the Lord’s disciple” in Irenaeus <em>always</em> means John the author of the Gospel or the letters, or the Apocalypse.</p>
<p>This is similar to the phrasing of Papias, quoted by Eusebius in <span class="citation" data-cites="mcgiffert1890eusebius">Eusebius of Caesarea (1890)</span> (EH III. 39, p289). From <span class="citation" data-cites="lightfoot1891fathers">Lightfoot and Harmer (1891)</span>, p529, (quoting Eusebius, quoting Papias):</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And again, any occasion when a person came (in my way) who had been a follower of the Elders, I would inquire about the discourses of the elders — what was said by Andrew, or by Peter, or by Philip, or by Thomas or James, or by John or Matthew or any other of the Lord’s disciples, and what Aristion and the Elder John, the disciples of the Lord, say.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>John’s Gospel gives its own primary author as “the beloved disciple” (John 21:24), who is not otherwise explicitly named or identified.</p>
<p>The author of the second and third letters of John introduces himself only as “The elder” (2 John 1:1, 3 John 1:1).</p>
<p>Revelation (the Apocalypse) names its source as “[Jesus Christ’s] servant John” (Revelation 1:1)</p>
</section>
<section id="irenaeus-apostles" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="irenaeus-apostles">Irenaeus’ apostles</h3>
<p>Irenaeus only ever uses “the Apostle N” or “N the Apostle” for: Paul (17 times); Matthew (once of 17 mentions of “Matthew”) and Peter (once for 48 mentions of “Peter”). He never uses “the Apostle John” or “John the Apostle”.</p>
<p>For Irenaeus, the most representative apostles are Peter and Paul — he criticizes the heretics for claiming to be “superior to his disciples, such as Peter and Paul, and the rest of the apostles” AH 1, XXV:2, and contrasts the heretics’ teaching with that of the apostles with “Therefore let them not any longer assert that Peter and Paul and the other apostles proclaimed the truth …” AH 4, XXXV:2.</p>
<p>In his letters, Paul specifically and often identifies himself as an “apostle of Christ Jesus” (e.g.&nbsp;Romans 1:1, 1 and 2 Corinthians 1), but did not claim to have met Jesus in person.</p>
<p>When referring to apostles, Irenaeus sometimes means:</p>
<ol type="1">
<li>The 12 named apostles; I’ve labeled these references as “12” below.</li>
<li>Paul</li>
<li>The source of definitive teaching from and about Jesus. I’ve labeled these references as “SA”.</li>
</ol>
<p>The question at hand is whether Irenaeus, when citing the apostles as general authority (SA), restricted the apostles to the 12 plus Paul.</p>
<p>As background, it is clear from the quotes below that:</p>
<ol type="1">
<li>Irenaeus identifies the author of John’s Gospel as John, the disciple of the Lord: “… John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia.” AH 3, I:1. Also: “And to these things does John also, the disciple of the Lord, bear witness, when he speaks thus in the Gospel: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …” AH 5, XVIII:2.</li>
<li>The same John, disciple of the Lord, is the author of the Apocalypse: “And. if any one will devote a close attention to those things … which John the disciple of the Lord saw in the Apocalypse,” … AH 4, XXX:4.</li>
<li>The same John is the author of letters 1 John and 2 John. AH 1, XVI:3 has “John, the disciple of the Lord … says …” followed by a quote from 2 John. In AH 3, XVI:8: “His disciple, in his Epistle already mentioned,” (quoting 2 John), and later: “Wherefore he again exclaims in his Epistle,” (quoting 1 John).</li>
<li>Irenaeus considered John the disciple of the Lord to be an apostle: “[the heretics assert that John] has, by thus speaking, referred to the primary Ogdoad,<sup>2</sup> in which there was as yet no Jesus, and no Christ, the teacher of John. But that the apostle did not speak concerning their conjunctions, but concerning our Lord Jesus Christ, whom he also acknowledges as the Word of God, he himself has made evident. For, summing up his statements respecting the Word previously mentioned by him, he further declares,”And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.” AH 1, IX:2-3.</li>
</ol>
<p>The question though, is whether Irenaeus is asserting that John — the disciple of the Lord — was also one of the 12. Could he, instead, have been referring to some other John, who was an apostle in the sense of being one of Jesus’ disciples, and therefore, a source of reliable testimony?</p>
<p>Irenaeus does use this second, more general interpretation of apostle, when he argues that John the Baptist could be considered an apostle, because “he actually saw [[Jesus]] when he came, and pointed him out”:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Wherefore the Lord said that He deemed [[John the Baptist]] “more than a prophet.” For all the other prophets preached the advent of the paternal Light, and desired to be worthy of seeing Him whom they preached; but John did both announce [the advent] beforehand, in a like manner as did the others, and actually saw Him when He came, and pointed Him out, and persuaded many to believe on Him, so that he did himself hold the place of both prophet and apostle. For this is to be more than a prophet, because, “first apostles, secondarily prophets;” … AH 3, XI:4.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>There is another piece of suggestive evidence that Irenaeus allows other disciples of Jesus to be apostles. He writes: “For that Judas the traitor is the twelfth in order, is agreed upon by all, there being twelve apostles mentioned by name in the Gospel.” AH 2, XX:4; “mentioned by name” weakly implies there may be other apostles not mentioned by name.</p>
</section>
</section>
<section id="use-of-apostle-in-early-church-writing" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="use-of-apostle-in-early-church-writing">Use of “apostle” in early church writing</h2>
<p>What did other early church writers mean by the term “apostle”?</p>
<p>First note that Acts 14:14 (MLV) describes <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnabas">Barnabas</a> as an apostle:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But after the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard it, they ripped their garments and dashed into the crowd, …”</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Barnabas was of course not one of the 12, but was a member of the early church. He may have been an eyewitness to at least some of Jesus’ life and teaching. We first see him in Acts 4:36-37 (MLV):</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Now Joses, who was surnamed Barnabas from the apostles (which is, being translated, Son of Encouragement), a Levite from Cyprus by birth, sold a field, possessed by him, and brought the money and placed it beside the apostles’ feet.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>See the <span class="citation" data-cites="lampe1961patristic_lexicon">Lampe (1961)</span> lexicon entry for αποστολος (emissary, apostle) (pp.&nbsp;211 - 214). It lists five broad categories, of which I is “in gen”, II is “of Christ as sent forth from the Father”, and III is “of one sent by God or Christ to preach and act on his behalf;”. Sub-meaning B of III is “of NT apostles, comprising 1. The Twelve, … 2. other leaders of primitive Church …”, with various entries therein.</p>
<p>From Lampe we see that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria">Clement of Alexandria</a>, writing soon after AH, refers to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Rome">Clement of Rome</a> (died around 100) as “the apostle Clement” (Stromata 4, XVII:105) <span class="citation" data-cites="anf02">(Roberts and Donaldson 1885b, 428)</span>.</p>
<p>In the early fourth century, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_History_%28Eusebius%29">Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History (EH)</a>, shows a wide view of the term “apostle”. From <span class="citation" data-cites="mcgiffert1890eusebius">Eusebius of Caesarea (1890)</span>:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Afterwards he says he appeared unto James, who was one of the so-called brethren of the Savior. But, since in addition to these, there were many others who were called apostles, in imitation of the Twelve, as was Paul himself, he adds: “Afterward he appeared to all the apostles.” [[1 Corinthians 15:7]] EH 1, XII:4 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-3495/versions/the-church-history-of-eusebius/divisions/14">Another version at BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="abbreviations-and-notation" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="abbreviations-and-notation">Abbreviations and notation</h2>
<ul>
<li>AH - Irenaeus’ Against Heresies.</li>
<li>EH - Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History.</li>
<li>AJG - Author of John’s Gospel.</li>
<li>JsZ - John son of Zebedee, one of the 12 Apostles.</li>
<li>SA - Source of Authority. It is not clear who specifically is being referred to (other than those named explicitly).</li>
<li>BKV — <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch">Bibliothek der Kirchenväter</a></li>
</ul>
<p>For each quote referring to “apostle”, I have tried to classify the meaning into one of more of “12” (the 12 apostles specifically), “12 + Paul”, “AJG”, “JsZ” or “SA”, allowing that “SA” might also be “12”. I have labeled quotes referring to “John” specifically in the heading. If there is no such label, then the quote refers to “apostle”.</p>
<p>Quotes and page numbers below are from <span class="citation" data-cites="anf01">Roberts and Donaldson (1885a)</span>. Text in quotes enclosed in <em>double</em> square brackets ([[like this]]) is my own explanation, and is not in Roberts (<span class="citation" data-cites="anf01">Roberts and Donaldson (1885a)</span>). Text enclosed in single square brackets ([like this]) comes from Roberts. Roberts sometimes uses parentheses — like (this) — for explanation or insertion; I haven’t changed this.</p>
</section>
<section id="use-of-john-and-apostle-in-against-heresies" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="use-of-john-and-apostle-in-against-heresies">Use of “John” and “apostle” in Against Heresies</h2>
<section id="ah-1-preface1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-preface1">AH 1, Preface:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Inasmuch as certain men have set the truth aside, and bring in lying words and vain genealogies, which,” as the apostle says, “minister questions rather than godly edifying which is in faith,” [[quoting 1 Tim 1:4]] 1, Preface:1 p315 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/1">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-iii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-iii2">AH 1, III:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>2/ The production, again, of the Duodecad of the Aeons, is indicated by the fact that the Lord was twelve years of age when He disputed with the teachers of the law, and by the election of the apostles, for of these there were twelve. [[Luke vi 13]], AH 1,III:2 p319 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/18">BKV</a> (12 Apostles)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-iii3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-iii3">AH 1, III:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>3/ They further maintain that the passion which took place in the case of the twelfth Aeon is pointed at by the apostasy of Judas, who was the twelfth apostle, and also by the fact that Christ suffered in the twelfth month. AH 1, III:3 p319 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/19">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-iii5-john-apostle" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-iii5-john-apostle">AH 1, III:5 (John, apostle)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>They [[the heretics]] also maintain that John indicated the same thing [[the twofold Houros / Stauros nature of God]] when he said, “The fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly purge the floor, and will gather the wheat into His garner; but the chaff He will burn with fire unquenchable.” [[Luke 3:17]] By this declaration He set forth the faculty of Horos. For that fan they explain to be the cross (Stauros), which consumes, no doubt, all material objects, as fire does chaff, but it purifies all them that are saved, as a fan does wheat. Moreover, they affirm that the Apostle Paul himself made mention of this cross in the following words … AH 1, III:5, p320 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/21">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/21">BKV</a></p>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-iii6" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-iii6">AH 1, III:6</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>6/ Such, then, is the account which they all give of their Pleroma, and of the formation of the universe, striving, as they do, to adapt the good words of revelation to their own wicked inventions. And it is not only from the writings of the evangelists and the apostles that they endeavour to derive proofs for their opinions by means of perverse interpretations and deceitful expositions: they deal in the same way with the law and the prophets, which contain many parables and allegories that can frequently be drawn into various senses, according to the kind of exegesis to which they are subjected. AH 1, III:6 p320 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/22">BKV</a> (likely thinking of evangelists as Mark, Luke, and apostles as Matthew, John-AJG, Paul and Peter)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-viii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-viii1">AH 1, VIII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Such, then, is their system, which neither the prophets announced, nor the Lord taught, nor the apostles delivered, but of which they boast that beyond all others they have a perfect knowledge. They gather their views from other sources than the Scriptures; and, to use a common proverb, they strive to weave ropes of sand, while they endeavour to adapt with an air of probability to their own peculiar assertions the parables of the Lord, the sayings of the prophets, and the words of the apostles, in order that their scheme may not seem altogether without support. AH 1, VIII:1 p326 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/49">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-viii4-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-viii4-john-reference">AH 1, VIII:4 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Further, they teach that John, the disciple of the Lord, indicated the first Ogdoad, expressing themselves in these words: John, the disciple of the Lord, wishing to set forth the origin of all things, so as to explain how the Father produced the whole, … expresses himself thus: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;…” [[John 1:1]] AH 1, VIII:4 p328, continued intermittently through paragraph 5, p329 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/53">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-1-ix-2-3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-1-ix-2-3">AH 1, IX:2-3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For if he has named the Father, and Charis, and Monogenes, and Aletheia, and Logos, and Zoe, and Anthropos, and Ecclesia, according to their hypothesis, he has, by thus speaking, referred to the primary Ogdoad, in which there was as yet no Jesus, and no Christ, the teacher of John. But that the apostle did not speak concerning their conjunctions, but concerning our Lord Jesus Christ, whom he also acknowledges as the Word of God, he himself has made evident. For, summing up his statements respecting the Word previously mentioned by him, he further declares, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.” But, according to their hypothesis, the Word did not become flesh at all, inasmuch as He never went outside of the Pleroma, but that Saviour [became flesh] who was formed by a special dispensation [out of all the Aeons], and was of later date than the Word.</p>
<p>3/ Learn then, ye foolish men, that Jesus who suffered for us, and who dwelt among us, is Himself the Word of God. For if any other of the Aeons had become flesh for our salvation, it would have been probable that the apostle spoke of another. But if the Word of the Father who descended is the same also that ascended, He, namely, the Only-begotten Son of the only God, who, according to the good pleasure of the Father, became flesh for the sake of men, the apostle certainly does not speak regarding any other, or concerning any Ogdoad, but respecting our Lord Jesus Christ. AH 1, IX:2-3 p329 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/57">BKV</a>(AJG)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-x1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-x1">AH 1, X:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ The Church, though dispersed throughout, the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: [She believes] in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; … AH 1, X:1 p330 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/61">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-x3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-x3">AH 1, X:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For in reference to these points, and others of a like nature, the apostle exclaims: “Oh! the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God; how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!” [Romans XI:33] AH 1, X:3 p331 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/64">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xiii6" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xiii6">AH 1, XIII:6</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>They proclaim themselves as being “perfect,” so that no-one can be compared to them with respect to the immensity of their knowledge, nor even were you to mention Paul or Peter, or any other of the apostles. AH 1, XIII:6 p335 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/82">BKV</a> (SA).</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-1-xvi-3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-1-xvi-3">AH 1, XVI:3 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And John, the disciple of the Lord, has intensified their condemnation, when he desires us not even to address to them the salutation of “good-speed;” for, says he, “He that bids them be of good-speed is a partaker with their evil deeds;” [[2 John 1:10-11]] and that with reason, “for there is no good-speed to the ungodly,” saith the Lord. AH 1, XVI:3 p341 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/104">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xviii3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xviii3">AH 1, XVIII:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Jeroboam also, who received the ten sceptres (tribes), and the ten courts of the tabernacle, and the columns of ten cubits [high] , and the ten sons of Jacob who were at first sent into Egypt to buy corn, and the ten apostles to whom the Lord appeared after His resurrection, — Thomas being absent, — represented, according to them, the invisible Decad. AH 1, XVIII:3 p344 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/111">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xviii4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xviii4">AH 1, XVIII:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… the number, too, of the apostles; and, in fine, every event which embraces in it the number twelve, — set forth their Duodecad. AH 1, XVIII:4 p344 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/112">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xxiii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xxiii1">AH 1, XXIII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Simon the Samaritan was that magician of whom Luke, the disciple and follower of the apostles, says, “But there was a certain man, Simon by name, who beforetime used magical arts in that city, and led astray the people of Samaria, declaring that he himself was some great one, to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This is the power of God, which is called great. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had driven them mad by his sorceries.” This Simon, then — who feigned faith, supposing that the apostles themselves performed their cures by the art of magic, and not by the power of God; and with respect to their filling with the Holy Ghost, through the imposition of hands, those that believed in God through Him who was preached by them, namely, Christ Jesus — suspecting that even this was done through a kind of greater knowledge of magic, and offering money to the apostles, thought he, too, might receive this power of bestowing the Holy Spirit on whomsoever he would, — was addressed in these words by Peter: “Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God can be purchased with money: thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter, for thy heart is not right in the sight of God; for I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.” He, then, not putting faith in God a whit the more, set himself eagerly to contend against the apostles, in order that he himself might seem to be a wonderful being, and applied himself with still greater zeal to the study of the whole magic art, that he might the better bewilder and overpower multitudes of men. AH 1, XXIII:1 p347 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/129">BKV</a> [[Acts 89-24]] (Peter and JsZ).</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-1-xxv-2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-1-xxv-2">AH 1, XXV:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>This idea has raised them to such a pitch of pride, that some of them declare themselves similar to Jesus; while others, still more mighty, maintain that they are superior to his disciples, such as Peter and Paul, and the rest of the apostles, whom they consider to be in no respect inferior to Jesus. AH 1, XXV:2, p350 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/144">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xxv5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xxv5">AH 1, XXV:5</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And in their writings we read as follows, the interpretation which they give [of their views], declaring that Jesus spoke in a mystery to His disciples and apostles privately, and that they requested and obtained permission to hand down the things thus taught them, to others who should be worthy and believing. AH 1, XXV:5, p351 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/147">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xxvi2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xxvi2">AH 1, XXVI:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>They use the Gospel according to Matthew only, and repudiate the Apostle Paul, maintaining that he was an apostate from the law. AH 1, XXVI:2, p352 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/151">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xxvi3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xxvi3">AH 1, XXVI:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>3/ The Nicolaitanes are the followers of that Nicolas who was one of the seven first ordained to the diaconate by the apostles. AH 1, XXVI:3, p352 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/152">BKV</a> (?12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xxvi3-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xxvi3-john-reference">AH 1, XXVI:3 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The character of these men is very plainly pointed out in the Apocalypse of John, … AH 1, XXVI:3 p352 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/152">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xxvii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xxvii1">AH 1, XXVII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Cerdo was one who took his system from the followers of Simon, and came to live at Rome in the time of Hyginus, who held the ninth place in the episcopal succession from the apostles downwards. AH 1, XXVII:1 p352 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/154">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xxvii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xxvii2">AH 1, XXVII:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>He [[Marcion]] likewise persuaded his disciples that he himself was more worthy of credit than are those apostles who have handed down the Gospel to us, furnishing them not with the Gospel, but merely a fragment of it. In like manner, too, he dismembered the Epistles of Paul, removing all that is said by the apostle respecting that God who made the world, to the effect that He is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and also those passages from the prophetical writings which the apostle quotes, in order to teach us that they announced beforehand the coming of the Lord. AH 1, XXVII:2 p352 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/155">BKV</a> (SA, Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-1-xxvii4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-1-xxvii4">AH 1, XXVII:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>4/ But since this man is the only one who has dared openly to mutilate the Scriptures, and unblushingly above all others to inveigh against God, I purpose specially to refute him, convicting him out of his own writings ; and, with the help of God, I shall overthrow him out of those discourses of the Lord and the apostles, which are of authority with him, and of which he makes use. AH 1, XXVII:4 p352-3 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/157">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-ii5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-ii5">AH 2, II:5</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Now, that this God [[of John 1]] is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Paul the apostle also has declared, [saying,] “There is one God, the Father, who is above all, and through all things, and in us all.” I have indeed proved already that there is only one God; but I shall further demonstrate this from the apostles themselves, and from the discourses of the Lord. For what sort of conduct would it be, were we to forsake the utterances of the prophets, of the Lord, and of the apostles, that we might give heed to these persons, who speak not a word of sense? AH 2, II:5 p362 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/203">BKV</a> (Paul + SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-2-ii-5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-2-ii-5">AH 2, II:5 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>His own Word is both suitable and sufficient for the formation of all things, even as John, the disciple of the Lord, declares regarding Him: “All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made.” Now, among the “all things” our world must be embraced. It too, therefore, was made by His Word, as Scripture tells us in the book of Genesis that He made all things connected with our world by His Word. David also expresses the same truth [when he says], “For He spake, and they were made; He commanded, and they were created.” Whom, therefore, shall we believe as to the creation of the world — these heretics who have been mentioned that prate so foolishly and inconsistently on the subject, or the disciples of the Lord, and Moses, who was both a faithful servant of God and a prophet? He at first narrated the formation of the world in these words: “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth,” and all other things in succession; but neither gods nor angels [had any share in the work]. AH 2, II:5, p361-2 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/202">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-ix1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-ix1">AH 2, IX:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The Universal Church, moreover, through the whole world, has received this tradition [[that God created the world]] from the apostles. AH 2, IX:1 p369 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/233">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xii8" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xii8">AH 2, XII:8</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Let them, then, henceforth seek to set forth some other reasons why the Lord came to be baptized at the age of thirty years, and [explain in some other way] the Duodecad of the apostles; AH 2, XII:8 p373 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/251">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xx1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xx1">AH 2, XX:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>They endeavour, for instance, to demonstrate that passion which, they say, happened in the case of the twelfth Aeon, from this fact, that the passion of the Saviour was brought about by the twelfth apostle, and happened in the twelfth month. AH 2, XX:1 p387 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/313">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-2-xx-4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-2-xx-4">AH 2, XX:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For that Judas the traitor is the twelfth in order, is agreed upon by all, there being twelve apostles mentioned by name in the Gospel. AH 2, XX:4 p388 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/316">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxi1-2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxi1-2">AH 2, XXI:1-2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ If, again, they maintain that the twelve apostles were a type only of that group of twelve Aeons which Anthropos in conjunction with Ecclesia produced, then let them produce ten other apostles as a type of those ten remaining Aeons, who, as they declare, were produced by Logos and Zoe. … [[an extended discussion of the number 12 with relation to the number of apostles]]</p>
<p>2/ … Moreover, we must not keep silence respecting Paul, but demand from them after the type of what Aeon that apostle has been handed down to us …” AH 2, XXI:1-2, p389 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/319">BKV</a> (12, Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxii2">AH 2, XXII:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And the time thus referred to is not called “a year” only, but is also named “a day” both by the prophet and by Paul, of whom the apostle, calling to mind the Scripture, says in the Epistle addressed to the Romans, “As it is written, for thy sake we are killed all the day long, as we are counted as sheep to the slaughter.” AH 2, XXII:2 p390 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/323">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxii3-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxii3-john-reference">AH 2, XXII:3 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… He [[Jesus]] went up to the festival day of the passover, on which occasion it is written, “For many believed in Him, when they saw the signs which He did,” [[John 2:23]] as John the disciple of the Lord records. AH 2, XXII, 3: p390-391 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/324">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxii5-john-apostle-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxii5-john-apostle-reference">AH 2, XXII:5 (John, apostle reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And how could He have taught, unless He had reached the age of a Master? For when He came to be baptized, He had not yet completed His thirtieth year, but was beginning to be about thirty years of age (for thus Luke, who has mentioned His years, has expressed it: “Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty years old,” [[Luke 3:23]] when He came to receive baptism); and, [according to these men,] He preached only one year reckoning from His baptism. On completing His thirtieth year He suffered, being in fact still a young man, and who had by no means attained to advanced age. Now, that the first stage of early life embraces thirty years, and that this extends onwards to the fortieth year, every one will admit; but from the fortieth and fiftieth year a man begins to decline towards old age, which our Lord possessed while He still fulfilled the office of a Teacher, even as the Gospel and all the elders testify; those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, [affirming] that John conveyed to them that information. And he remained among them up to the times of Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles also, and heard the very same account from them, and bear testimony as to the [validity of] the statement. Whom then should we rather believe? Whether such men as these, or Ptolemaeus, who never saw the apostles, and who never even in his dreams attained to the slightest trace of an apostle? AH 2, XXII:5 p392 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/326">BKV</a> (AJG? JsZ? SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxiv4-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxiv4-john-reference">AH 2, XXIV:4 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Again, five men are said to have been with the Lord when He obtained testimony from the Father, — namely, Peter, and James, and John, and Moses, and Elias. AH 2, XXIV:4 p395 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/335">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxv1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxv1">AH 2, XXV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ If any one, however, say in reply to these things, What then? Is it a meaningless and accidental thing, that the positions of names, and the election of the apostles, and the working of the Lord, and the arrangement of created things, are what they are? — we answer them: Certainly not; … Nor should they seek to prosecute inquiries respecting God by means of numbers, syllables, and letters. For this is an uncertain mode of proceeding, on account of their varied and diverse systems, and because every sort of hypothesis may at the present day be, in like manner, devised by any one; AH 2, XXV:1 p396 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/339">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxviii3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxviii3">AH 2, XXVIII:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>As the apostle has said on this point, that, when other things have been done away, then these three, “faith, hope and charity, shall endure.” AH 2, XXVIII:3 p399 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/354">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxviii7" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxviii7">AH 2, XXVIII:7</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And that God fore-knew that this would happen, the Scriptures do in like manner demonstrate, since He prepared eternal fire from the beginning for those who were [afterwards] to transgress [His commandments]; but the cause itself of the nature of such transgressors neither has any Scripture informed us, nor has an apostle told us, nor has the Lord taught us. AH 2, XXVIII:7 p401 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/358">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxviii9" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxviii9">AH 2, XXVIII:9</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>9/ But if any lover of strife contradict what I have said, and also what the apostle affirms, that “we know in part, and prophesy in part,” AH 2, XXVIII:9 p402 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/360">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxx7-9" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxx7-9">AH 2, XXX:7-9</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>7/ … Paul expressly testifies that there are spiritual things when he declares that he was caught up into the third heaven, … But since he (Paul) has described that assumption of himself up to the third heaven as something great and pre-eminent, it cannot be that these men ascend above the seventh heaven, for they are certainly not superior to the apostle. … but it is therefore thus far permitted even without the body to behold spiritual mysteries which are the operations of God, who made the heavens and the earth, and formed man, and placed him in paradise, so that those should be spectators of them who, like the apostle, have reached a high degree of perfection in the love of God.</p>
<p>8/ This Being, therefore, also made spiritual things, of which, as far as to the third heaven, the apostle was made a spectator, … AH 2, XXX:7-9 p405 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/372">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxx9" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxx9">AH 2, XXX:9</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>He is the God of Abraham, … whom Christ reveals, whom the apostles make known to us, and in whom the Church believes. AH 2, XXX:9 p406 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/374">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxxi2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxxi2">AH 2, XXXI:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And so far are they from being able to raise the dead, as the Lord raised them, and the apostles did by means of prayer, and as has been frequently done in the brotherhood on account of some necessity — … AH 2, XXXI:2 p407 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/377">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-2-xxxv4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-2-xxxv4">AH 2, XXXV:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>4/ Now, that the preaching of the apostles, the authoritative teaching of the Lord, the announcements of the prophets, the dictated utterances of the apostles,[ [footnote 3]] …</p>
<p>[[Contents of footnote 3]] The words are “apostolorum dictatio,” probably referring to the <em>letters</em> of the apostles, as distinguished from their <em>preaching</em> already mentioned. AH 2 XXXV:4 p413 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/400">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-preface" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-preface">AH 3, Preface</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… the only true and life-giving faith, which the Church has received from the apostles and imparted to her sons. For the Lord of all gave to His apostles the power of the Gospel, through whom also we have known the truth, … AH 3, Preface p414 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/401">BKV</a> (SA).</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-3-i-1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-3-i-1">AH 3, I:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith. For it is unlawful to assert that they preached before they possessed “perfect knowledge,” as some do even venture to say, boasting themselves as improvers of the apostles. For, after our Lord rose from the dead, [the apostles] were invested with power from on high when the Holy Spirit came down [upon them], were filled from all [His gifts], and had perfect knowledge; they departed to the ends of the earth, preaching the glad tidings of the good things [sent] from God to us, and proclaiming the peace of heaven to men, who indeed do all equally and individually possess the Gospel of God. Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia. … AH 3, I:1 p414 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/404">BKV</a> (Acts 2 isn’t clear on who received the holy spirit at Pentecost, although the 12 is implied)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-ii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-ii2">AH 3, II:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>2/ But, again, when we refer them to that tradition which originates from the apostles, [and] which is preserved by means of the successions of presbyters in the Churches, they object to tradition, saying that they themselves are wiser not merely than the presbyters, but even than the apostles, because they have discovered the unadulterated truth. For [they maintain] that the apostles intermingled the things of the law with the words of the Saviour; and that not the apostles alone, but even the Lord Himself, spoke as at one time from the Demiurge, at another from the intermediate place, and yet again from the Pleroma, but that they themselves, indubitably, unsulliedly, and purely, have knowledge of the hidden mystery: … AH 3, II:2 p416 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/409">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-iii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-iii1">AH 3, III:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who may wish to see the truth,, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were by the apostles instituted bishops in the Churches, and [to demonstrate] the succession, of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew of anything like what these [heretics] rave about. For if the apostles had known hidden mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to “the perfect” apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them especially to those to whom they were also committing the Churches themselves. AH 3, III:1 p415 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/412">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-iii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-iii2">AH 3, III:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… we do put to confusion all those who … assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. AH 3, III:2 p415 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/413">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-iii3-4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-iii3-4">AH 3, III:3-4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>3/ The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus ; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears] , and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome despatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spake with Moses, set forth the law,, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the apostolical tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then after him, Anicetus. Soter having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth.</p>
<p>4/ But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true. To these things all the Asiatic Churches testify, as do also those men who have succeeded Polycarp down to the present time, — a man who was of much greater weight, and a more stedfast witness of truth, than Valentinus, and Marcion, and the rest of the heretics. He it was who, coming to Rome in the time of Anicetus caused many to turn away from the aforesaid heretics to the Church of God, proclaiming that he had received this one and sole truth from the apostles, — that, namely, which is handed down by the Church. There, are also those who heard from him that John, the disciple of the Lord, going to bathe at Ephesus, and perceiving Cerinthus within, rushed out of the bath-house without bathing, exclaiming, “Let us fly, lest even the bath-house fall down, because Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within.” And Polycarp himself replied to Marcion, who met him on one occasion, and said, “Dost thou know me?” “I do know thee, the first-born of Satan.” Such was the horror which the apostles and their disciples had against holding even verbal communication with any corrupters of the truth; as Paul also says, “A man that is an heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject ; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” There is also a very powerful Epistle of Polycarp written to the Philippians, from which those who choose to do so, and are anxious about their salvation, can learn the character of his faith, and the preaching of the truth. Then, again, the Church in Ephesus, founded by Paul, and having John remaining among them permanently until the times of Trajan, is a true witness of the tradition of the apostles. AH 3, III:3-4 p416 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/414">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-iv1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-iv1">AH 3, IV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth: … Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient Churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question? For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, [in that case,] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches? AH 3, IV:1 p416-7 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/416">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-iv2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-iv2">AH 3, IV:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Thus, by moans of that ancient tradition of the apostles, they do not suffer their mind to conceive anything of the [doctrines suggested by the] portentous language of these teachers, among whom neither Church nor doctrine has ever been established. AH 3, IV:2 p417 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/418">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-v1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-v1">AH 3, V:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Since, therefore, the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us, let us revert to the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles who did also write the Gospel, in which they recorded the doctrine regarding God, pointing out that our Lord Jesus Christ is the truth,[[John 14:6]] and that no lie is in Him. As also David says, prophesying His birth from a virgin, and the resurrection from the dead, “Truth has sprung out of the earth.” The apostles, likewise, being disciples “of the truth, are above all falsehood; for a lie has no fellowship with the truth, just as darkness has none with light, but the presence of the one shuts out that of the other. AH 3, V:1 p417 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/420">BKV</a> (AJG - where AJG is an apostle).</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-v1-1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-v1-1">AH 3, V:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Neither did His disciples make mention of any other God, or term any other Lord, except Him, who was truly the God and Lord of all, as these most vain sophists affirm that the apostles did with hypocrisy frame their doctrine according to the capacity of their hearers, … but [[the heretics claim]] to those who are capable of comprehending the unnameable Father, they did declare the unspeakable mystery through parables and enigmas: so that the Lord and the apostles exercised the office of teacher not to further the cause of truth, but even in hypocrisy, and as each individual was able to receive it! AH 3, V:1 p418 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/420">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-v2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-v2">AH 3, V:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… For the apostles, who were commissioned to find out the wanderers, and to be for sight to those who saw not, and medicine to the weak, certainly did not address them in accordance with their opinion at the time, but according to revealed truth. AH 3, V:2 p418 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/422">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-v3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-v3">AH 3, V:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And again, the apostles taught the Gentiles that they should leave vain stocks and stones, which they imagined to be gods, and worship the true God, … AH 3, V:3 p418 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/423">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-vi1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-vi1">AH 3, VI:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Therefore neither would the Lord, nor the Holy Spirit, nor the apostles, have ever named as God, definitely and absolutely, him who was not God, unless he were truly God … AH 3, VI:1 p418 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/424">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-vi5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-vi5">AH 3, VI:5</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>5/ And the Apostle Paul also, saying, “For though ye have served them. which are no gods; ye now know God, or rather, are known of God,” AH 3, VI:5 p420 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/429">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-vii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-vii2">AH 3, VII:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>2/ From many other instances also, we may discover that the apostle [[Paul]] frequently uses a transposed order in his sentences, due to the rapidity of his discourses, and the impetus of the Spirit which is in him. … So therefore, in such passages, the <em>hyperbaton</em> must be exhibited by the reading, and the apostle’s meaning following on, preserved; … AH 3, VII:2 p420-1 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/432">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-viii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-viii1">AH 3, VIII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ This calumny, then, of these men, having been quashed, it is clearly proved that neither the prophets nor the apostles did ever name another God, or call [him] Lord, except the true and only God. AH 3, VIII:1 p421 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/434">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-ix1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-ix1">AH 3, IX:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ This, therefore, having been clearly demonstrated here (and it shall yet be so still more clearly), that neither the prophets, nor the apostles, nor the Lord Christ in His own person, did acknowledge any other Lord or God, but the God and Lord supreme: the prophets and the apostles confessing the Father and the Son; but naming no other as God, and confessing no other as Lord : and the Lord Himself handing down to His disciples, that He, the Father, is the only God and Lord, who alone is God and ruler of all; — it is incumbent on us to follow, if we are their disciples indeed, their testimonies to this effect. For Matthew the apostle … declares that John, when preparing the way for Christ, … AH 3, IX:1 p422 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/437">BKV</a> (SA, then “Matthew the Apostle”. Notice we never see “John the Apostle”).</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-x1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-x1">AH 3, X:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Luke also, the follower and disciple of the apostles, … AH 3, X:1 p423 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/442">BKV</a> (Paul, SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xi1-2-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xi1-2-john-reference">AH 3, XI:1-2 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith, and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that “knowledge” falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word; … The disciple of the Lord therefore desiring to put an end to all such doctrines, and to establish the rule of truth in the Church, that there is one Almighty God, who made all things by his Word, … thus commenced His teaching in the Gospel: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …” [[John 1:1]] <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/449">BKV</a></p>
<p>2/ John, however, does himself put this matter beyond all controversy on our part, when he says, “He was in this world, and the world was; made by Him, and the world knew Him not. He came unto His own [things], and His own [people] received Him not.” [[John 1:10-11]] AH 3, XI:1-2, p426 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/450">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-3-xi-3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-3-xi-3">AH 3, XI:3 (John as “the Lord’s disciple”)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Therefore the Lord’s disciple, pointing them all out as false witnesses, says, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.” [[John 1:14]] AH 3, XI:3, p427 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/451">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-3-xi-4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-3-xi-4">AH 3, XI:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Wherefore the Lord said that He deemed him [[John the Baptist]] “more than a prophet.” For all the other prophets preached the advent of the paternal Light, and desired to be worthy of seeing Him whom they preached; but John did both announce [the advent] beforehand, in a like manner as did the others, and actually saw Him when He came, and pointed Him out, and persuaded many to believe on Him, so that he did himself hold the place of both prophet and apostle. For this is to be more than a prophet, because, “first apostles, secondarily prophets;” but all things from one and the same God Himself. AH 3, XI:4 p427 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/452">BKV</a> (John the Baptist as apostle, who “saw him when he came”)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xi7-8-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xi7-8-john-reference">AH 3, XI:7-8 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>7/ … Those, again, who separate Jesus from Christ, alleging that Christ remained impassible, but that it was Jesus who suffered, preferring the Gospel by Mark, if they read it with a love of truth, may have their errors rectified. Those, moreover, who follow Valentinus, making copious use of that according to John, to illustrate their conjunctions, shall be proved to be totally in error by means of this very Gospel, as I have shown in the first book. Since, then, our opponents do bear testimony to us, and make use of these [documents], our proof derived from them is firm and true. <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/455">BKV</a></p>
<p>8/ It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the Church is scattered throughout all the world, and the “pillar and ground” of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life; it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh. From which fact, it is evident that the Word, the Artificer of all, He that sitteth upon the cherubim, and contains all things, He who was manifested to men, has given us the Gospel under four aspects, but bound together by one Spirit. As also David says, when entreating His manifestation, “Thou that sittest between the cherubim, shine forth.” For the cherubim, too, were four-faced, and their faces were images of the dispensation of the Son of God. For, [as the Scripture] says, “The first living creature was like a lion,” symbolizing His effectual working, His leadership, and royal power; the second [living creature] was like a calf, signifying [His] sacrificial and sacerdotal order; but “the third had, as it were, the face as of a man,” — an evident description of His advent as a human being; “the fourth was like a flying eagle,” pointing out the gift of the Spirit hovering with His wings over the Church. And therefore the Gospels are in accord with these things, among which Christ Jesus is seated. For that according to John relates His original, effectual, and glorious generation from the Father, thus declaring, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Also, “all things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made.” For this reason, too, is that Gospel full of all confidence, for such is His person. AH 3, XI:7,8 p428 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/456">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xi9" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xi9">AH 3, XI:9</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>We must conclude, moreover, that these men (the Montanists) cannot admit the Apostle Paul either. … AH 3, XI:9 p429 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/457">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xi9-1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xi9-1">AH 3, XI:9</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… Indeed, they [[who are from Valentinus]] have arrived at such a pitch of audacity, as to entitle their comparatively recent writing “the Gospel of Truth,” though it agrees in nothing with the Gospels of the Apostles, so that they have really no Gospel which is not full of blasphemy. For if what they have published is the Gospel of truth, and yet is totally unlike those which have been handed down to us from the apostles, any who please may learn, as is shown from the Scriptures themselves, that that which has been handed down from the apostles can no longer be reckoned the Gospel of truth. … let us proceed also to the remaining apostles, and inquire into their doctrine with regard to God; then, in due course we shall listen to the very words of the Lord. AH 3, XI:9 p429 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/457">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xi9-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xi9-john-reference">AH 3, XI:9 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>9/ These things being so, all who destroy the form of the Gospel are vain, unlearned, and also audacious; those, [I mean,] who represent the aspects of the Gospel as being either more in number than as aforesaid, or, on the other hand, fewer. The former class [do so], that they may seem to have discovered more than is of the truth; the latter, that they may set the dispensations of God aside. For Marcion, rejecting the entire Gospel, yea rather, cutting himself off from the Gospel, boasts that he has part in the [blessings of] the Gospel. Others, again (the Montanists), that they may set at nought the gift of the Spirit, which in the latter times has been, by the good pleasure of the Father, poured out upon the human race, do not admit that aspect [of the evangelical dispensation] presented by John’s Gospel, in which the Lord promised that He would send the Paraclete; but set aside at once both the Gospel and the prophetic Spirit. AH 3, XI:9 p429 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/457">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii1">AH 3, XII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ The Apostle Peter, therefore, after the resurrection of the Lord, and His assumption into the heavens, being desirous of filling up the number of the twelve apostles, and in electing into the place of Judas any substitute who should be chosen by God, thus addressed those who were present … — thus leading to the completion of the apostles, according to the words spoken by David. AH 3, XII:1 p429-430 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/459">BKV</a> (Peter, 12. Notice “The Apostle Peter”)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii2">AH 3, XII:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… Peter says to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Thus the apostles did not preach another God, or another Fulness; nor, that the Christ who suffered and rose again was one, while he who flew off on high was another, and remained impassible; but that there was one and the same God the Father, and Christ Jesus who rose from the dead; AH 3, XII:2 p430 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/460">BKV</a> (Peter)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii3-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii3-john-reference">AH 3, XII:3 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>3/ Again, when Peter, accompanied by John, had looked upon the man lame from his birth, before that gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, sitting and seeking alms, he said to him, “Silver and gold I have none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk. And immediately his legs and his feet received strength; and he walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.” [[Acts 3:6-8]] AH 3, XII:3, p430 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/461">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii3-john-reference-1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii3-john-reference-1">AH 3, XII:3 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Peter, together with John, preached to them this plain message of glad tidings, that the promise which God made to the fathers had been fulfilled by Jesus; … AH 3, XII:3 p431 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/461">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-3-xii-4-5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-3-xii-4-5">AH 3, XII:4-5</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>4/ For this reason, too, when the chief priests were assembled, Peter, full of boldness, said to them, “Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, …” … thus the apostles did not change God, but preached to the people that Christ was Jesus the crucified One, whom the same God that had sent the prophets, being God Himself, raised up, and gave in Him salvation to men.</p>
<p>5/ They were confounded, therefore, both by this instance of healing (“for the man was above forty years old on whom this miracle of healing took place”), and by the doctrine of the apostles, and by the exposition of the prophets, when the chief priests had sent away Peter and John. [These latter] returned to the rest of their fellow-apostles and disciples of the Lord, that is, to the Church, and related what had occurred, and how courageously they had acted in the name of Jesus. The whole Church, it is then said, “when they had heard that, lifted up the voice to God with one accord, …”. …These [are the] voices of the Church from which every Church had its origin; these are the voices of the metropolis of the citizens of the new covenant; these are the voices of the apostles; these are voices of the disciples of the Lord, the truly perfect, who, after the assumption of the Lord, were perfected by the Spirit, and called upon the God who made heaven, and earth, and the sea, … For it is said, “The place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness” to everyone that was willing to believe. “And with great power,” it is added, “gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus,” … AH 3, XII:4-5 p431 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/462">BKV</a> (Peter, 12. Notice, the “voices of the apostles; these are the voices of the disciples of the Lord, the truly perfect …”)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii6" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii6">AH 3, XII:6</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>6/ But as some of these men impudently assert that the apostles, when preaching among the Jews, could not declare to them another god besides Him in whom they (their hearers) believed, we say to them, that if the apostles used to speak to people in accordance with the opinion instilled into them of old, no one learned the truth from them, nor, at a much earlier date, from the Lord. AH 3, XII:6 p432 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/464">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii7" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii7">AH 3, XII:7</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>7/ From the words of Peter, therefore, which he addressed in Caesarea to Cornelius the centurion, and those Gentiles with him, to whom the word of God was first preached, we can under- stand what the apostles used to preach, the nature of their preaching, and their idea with regard to God. … The apostles, therefore, did preach the Son of God, of whom men were ignorant; … Can it really be, that Peter was not at that time as yet in possession of the perfect knowledge which these men discovered afterwards? According to them, therefore, Peter was imperfect, and the rest of the apostles were imperfect ; and so it would be fitting that they, coming to life again, should become disciples of these men, in order that they too might be made perfect. But this is truly ridiculous. These men, in fact, are proved to be not disciples of the apostles, but of their own wicked notions. To this cause also are due the various opinions which exist among them, inasmuch as each one adopted error just as he was capable [of embracing it]. But the Church throughout all the world, having its origin firm from the apostles, perseveres in one and the same opinion with regard to God and His Son. AH 3, XII:7 p432-3 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/465">BKV</a> (Peter - ?12 - SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii9" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii9">AH 3, XII:9</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But that all his [[Paul’s]] Epistles are consonant to these declarations [[from Acts]], I shall, when expounding the apostle, … AH 3, XII:9 p434 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/467">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii10" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii10">AH 3, XII:10</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>10/ And still further, Stephen, who was chosen the first deacon by the apostles, AH 3, XII:10 p434 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/468">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii11" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii11">AH 3, XII:11</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>11/ And that the whole range of the doctrine of the apostles proclaimed one and the same God, … — they who wish may learn from the very words and acts of the apostles, and may contemplate the fact that this God is one, above whom is no other. … But if any one, “doting about questions,” do imagine that what the apostles have declared about God should be allegorized, let him consider my previous statements, in which I set forth one God as the Founder and Maker of all things, and destroyed and laid bare their allegations; and he shall find them agreeable to the doctrine of the apostles, and so to maintain what they used to teach, and were persuaded of, that there is one God, the Maker of all things. AH 3, XII:11 p434 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/469">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii12" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii12">AH 3, XII:12</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Since, therefore, they have been deserted by the paternal love, and puffed up by Satan, being brought over to the doctrine of Simon Magus, they have apostatized in their opinions from Him who is God, and imagined that they have themselves discovered more than the apostles, by finding out another god; and [maintained] that the apostles preached the Gospel still somewhat under the influence of Jewish opinions, but that they themselves are purer [in doctrine], and more intelligent, than the apostles. AH 3, XII:12 p434 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/470">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii13" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii13">AH 3, XII:13</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>13/ But that both the apostles and their disciples thus taught as the Church preaches, and thus teaching were perfected, wherefore also they were called away to that which is perfect — Stephen, teaching these truths, when he was yet on earth, saw the glory of God, and Jesus on His right hand, and exclaimed, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” … AH 3, XII:13 p435 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/471">BKV</a> (?12 presumably classifying Stephen as a disciple)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-3-xii-13" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-3-xii-13">AH 3, XII:13</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>14/ This is shown in a still clearer light from the letter of the apostles, which they forwarded neither to the Jews nor to the Greeks, but to those who from the Gentiles believed in Christ, confirming their faith. For when certain men had come down from Judea to Antioch — where also, first of all, the Lord’s disciples were called Christians, because of their faith in Christ — and sought to persuade those who had believed on the Lord to be circumcised, and to perform other things after the observance of the law; and when Paul and Barnabas had gone up to Jerusalem to the apostles on account of this question, and the whole Church had convened together, Peter thus addressed them: “Men, brethren, ye know how that from the days of old …” [[Acts 15:7-11]] …</p>
<p>And when these things had been said, and all had given their consent, they wrote to them after this manner: “The apostles, and the presbyters, [and] the brethren, unto those brethren from among the Gentiles who are in Antioch, and Syria, and Cilicia, greeting:” [[Acts 15:22-23]] AH 3, XII:13 p436 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/472">BKV</a> (?12-SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xii15-john-apostle-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xii15-john-apostle-reference">AH 3, XII:15 (John, apostle reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>He [[Peter]] persuaded, at the same time, those that were with him, and pointed out that, unless the Holy Ghost had rested upon them, there might have been some one who would have raised objections to their baptism. And the apostles who were with James allowed the Gentiles to act freely, yielding us up to the Spirit of God. But they themselves, while knowing the same God, continued in the ancient observances; so that even Peter, fearing also lest he might incur their reproof, although formerly eating with the Gentiles, because of the vision, and of the Spirit who had rested upon them, yet, when certain persons came from James, withdrew himself, and did not eat with them. And Paul said that Barnabas likewise did the same thing. Thus did the apostles, whom the Lord made witnesses of every action and of every doctrine — for upon all occasions do we find Peter, and James, and John present with Him — scrupulously act according to the dispensation of the Mosaic law, showing that it was from one and the same God …” AH 3, XII:15 p436 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/473">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xiii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xiii1">AH 3, XIII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ With regard to those (the Marcionites) who allege that Paul alone knew the truth, and that to him the mystery was manifested by revelation, let Paul himself convict them, when he says, that one and the same God wrought in Peter for the apostolate of the circumcision, and in himself for the Gentiles. Peter, therefore, was an apostle of that very God whose was also Paul; and Him whom Peter preached as God among those of the circumcision, and likewise the Son of God, did Paul [declare] also among the Gentiles. For our Lord never came to save Paul alone, nor is God so limited in means, that He should have but one apostle who knew the dispensation of His Son. AH 3, XIII:1 p436 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/474">BKV</a> (Paul, Peter)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xiii2-3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xiii2-3">AH 3, XIII:2-3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For why did the Lord send the twelve apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, if these men did not know the truth? How also did the seventy preach, unless they had themselves previously known the truth of what was preached? Or how could Peter have been in ignorance, to whom the Lord gave testimony, that flesh and blood had not revealed to him, but the Father, who is in heaven? Just, then, as “Paul [was] an apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father,” [so with the rest;] the Son indeed leading them to the Father, but the Father revealing to them the Son.</p>
<p>3/ But that Paul acceded to [the request of] those who summoned him to the apostles, on account of the question [which had been raised], and went up to them, with Barnabas, to Jerusalem, not without reason, but that the liberty of the Gentiles might be confirmed by them, he does himself say, in the Epistle to the Galatians: … If, then, any one shall, from the Acts of the Apostles, carefully scrutinize the time concerning which it is written that he went up to Jerusalem on account of the forementioned question, he will find those years mentioned by Paul coinciding with it. Thus the statement of Paul harmonizes with, and is, as it were, identical with, the testimony of Luke regarding the apostles. AH 3, XIII:2-3 p437 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/476">BKV</a> (12, Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xiv1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xiv1">AH 3, XIV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>That he [[Luke]] was not merely a follower, but also a fellow-labourer of the apostles, but especially of Paul, Paul has himself declared also in the Epistles, … AH 3, XIV:1 p437-8 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/479">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xiv2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xiv2">AH 3, XIV:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>“I have not shunned,” he [[Paul, Acts 20:27]] says, “to declare unto you all the counsel of God.” Thus did the apostles simply, and without respect of persons, deliver to all what they had themselves learned from the Lord. AH 3, XIV:2 p438 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/480">BKV</a> (Paul, SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xiv4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xiv4">AH 3, XIV:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But the followers of Valentinus must give up their utterly vain talk; for they have taken from that [Gospel] many occasions for their own speculations, to put an evil interpretation upon what he has well said. If, on the other hand, they feel compelled to receive the remaining portions also, then, by studying the perfect Gospel, and the doctrine of the apostles, they will find it necessary to repent, that they may be saved from the danger [to which they are exposed]. AH 3, XIV:4 p439 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/482">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xv1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xv1">AH 3, XV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ But again, we allege the same against those who do not recognise Paul as an apostle: that they should either reject the other words of the Gospel which we have come to know through Luke alone, and not make use of them; or else, if they do receive all these, they must necessarily admit also that testimony concerning Paul, … AH 3, XV:1 p439 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/483">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xv1-1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xv1-1">AH 3, XV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Those, therefore, who do not accept of him [[Paul]] [as a teacher], who was chosen by God for this purpose, that he might boldly bear His name, as being sent to the forementioned nations, do despise the election of God, and separate themselves from the company of the apostles. For neither can they contend that Paul was no apostle, when he was chosen for this purpose; nor can they prove Luke guilty of falsehood, when he proclaims the truth to us with all diligence. It may be, indeed, that it was with this view that God set forth very many Gospel truths, through Luke’s instrumentality, which all should esteem it necessary to use, in order that all persons, following his subsequent testimony, which treats upon the acts and the doctrine of the apostles, and holding the unadulterated rule of truth, may be saved. His testimony, therefore, is true, and the doctrine of the apostles is open and stedfast, holding nothing in reserve; nor did they teach one set of doctrines in private, and another in public. AH 3, XV:1 p439 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/483">BKV</a> (Paul, SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xv3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xv3">AH 3, XV:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>3/ But let us revert to the same line of argument [hitherto pursued]. For when it has been manifestly declared, that they who were the preachers of the truth and the apostles of liberty termed no one else God, or named him Lord, except the only true God the Father, and His Word, who has the pre-eminence in all things; it shall then be clearly proved, that they (the apostles) confessed as the Lord God Him who was the Creator of heaven and earth, who also spoke with Moses, gave to him the dispensation of the law, and who called the fathers; and that they knew no other. The opinion of the apostles, therefore, and of those (Mark and Luke)<sup>3</sup> who learned from their words, concerning God, has been made manifest. AH 3, XV:3 p440 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/486">BKV</a> (SA, but Mark and Luke distinguished from the apostles, implying Matthew and John are apostles).</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xvi1-2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xvi1-2">AH 3, XVI:1-2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ But there are some who say that Jesus was merely a receptacle of Christ, upon whom the Christ, as a dove, descended from above, … I judge it necessary therefore to take into account the entire mind of the apostles regarding our Lord Jesus Christ, and to show that not only did they never hold any such opinions regarding Him; but, still further, that they announced through the Holy Spirit, that those who should teach such doctrines were agents of Satan, sent forth for the purpose of overturning the faith of some, and drawing them away from life.</p>
<p>2/ That John knew the one and the same Word of God, and that He was the only begotten, and that he became incarnate for our salvation, Jesus Christ our Lord, I have sufficiently proved from the word of John himself. And Matthew, too, recognising one and the same Jesus Christ, exhibiting his generation as a man from the Virgin, even as God did promise David that He would raise up from the fruit of his body an eternal King, having made the same promise to Abraham a long time previously, says: “The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.” AH 3, XVI:1-2 p440 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/488">BKV</a> (AJG is an apostle, as is Matthew)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xvi3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xvi3">AH 3, XVI:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>3/ Paul, when writing to the Romans, has explained this very point: “Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, predestinated unto the Gospel of God, which He had promised by His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, …” AH 3, XVI:3 p441 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/490">BKV</a> (Paul of himself)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-3-xvi-5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-3-xvi-5">AH 3, XVI:5 (His disciples)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Therefore did the Lord also say to His disciples after the resurrection, “O thoughtless ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken ! Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into His glory?” [[Luke 24:25-26]] AH 3, XVI:5, p442 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/492">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xvi5-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xvi5-john-reference">AH 3, XVI:5 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The Gospel, therefore, knew no other son of man but Him who was of Mary, who also suffered; and no Christ who flew away from Jesus before the passion; but Him who was born it knew as Jesus Christ the Son of God, and that this same suffered and rose again, as John, the disciple of the Lord, verifies, saying: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have eternal life in His name,” [[John 20:31]] … AH 3, XVI:5, p442 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/492">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-3-xvi-8" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-3-xvi-8">AH 3, XVI:8 (John as “His disciple”)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>These are they against whom the Lord has cautioned us beforehand; and His disciple, in his Epistle already mentioned, commands us to avoid them, when he says: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Take heed to them, that ye lose not what ye have wrought.” [[2 John 1:7-8]] And again does he say in the Epistle: “Many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God; and every spirit which separates Jesus Christ is not of God, but is of antichrist.” [[2 John 4:1-3]] These words agree with what was said in the Gospel, that “the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.” [[John 1:14]]</p>
<p>Wherefore he again exclaims in his Epistle, “Every one that believeth that Jesus is the Christ, has been born of God;” [[1 John 5:1]] AH 3, XVI:8, p443 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/495">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xvi9" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xvi9">AH 3, XVI:9</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But that the apostle did know Him as one, both who was born and who suffered, namely Christ Jesus, he again says in the same Epistle: “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized in Christ Jesus were baptized in His death? that like as Christ rose from the dead, so should we also walk in newness of life.” [[Romans VI:3-4]] AH 3, XVI:9 p443 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/496">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xvii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xvii1">AH 3, XVII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ It certainly was in the power of the apostles to declare that Christ descended upon Jesus, or that the so-called superior Saviour [came down] upon the dispensational one, or he who is from the invisible places upon him from the Demiurge; but they neither knew nor said anything of the kind: [[then quotes Matthew 10:20, Matthew 28:19]]. AH 3, XVII:1 p444 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/497">BKV</a> (Matthew)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xvii4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xvii4">AH 3, XVII:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>4/ The Spirit, therefore, descending under the predestined dispensation, and the Son of God, the Only-begotten, who is also the Word of the Father, coming in the fulness of time, having become incarnate in man for the sake of man, and fulfilling all the conditions of human nature, our Lord Jesus Christ being one and the same, as He Himself the Lord doth testify, as the apostles confess, and as the prophets announce, … AH 3, XVII:4 p445 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/501">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xix2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xix2">AH 3, XIX:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth. Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man. [[Various OT quotes follow]] AH 3, XIX:2 p449 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/512">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xxi3-4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xxi3-4">AH 3, XXI:3-4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For the apostles, since they are of more ancient date than all these [heretics], agree with this aforesaid translation [[of Isiah 7:14]]; and the translation harmonizes with the tradition of the apostles. For Peter, and John, and Matthew, and Paul, and the rest successively, as well as their followers, did set forth all prophetical [announcements], just as the interpretation of the elders contains them.</p>
<p>4/ For the one and the same Spirit of God who proclaimed by the prophets what and of what sort the advent of the Lord should be, did by these elders give a just interpretation of what had been truly prophesied; and He did Himself, by the apostles, announce that the fulness of the times of the adoption had arrived, that the kingdom of heaven had drawn nigh, and that <em>He</em> was dwelling within those that believe on Him who was born Emmanuel of the Virgin. AH 3, XXI:3-4 p452 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/522">BKV</a> (Isaiah 7:14 only cited by Matthew; John’s gospel does not refer to the Virgin birth - presumably either confusion, or oral testimony).</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xxii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xxii1">AH 3, XXII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The Apostle Paul, moreover, in the Epistle to the Galatians, … AH 3, XXII:1 p454 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/531">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xxii2-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xxii2-john-reference">AH 3, XXII:2 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… nor, again, would John His disciple have said, when writing of Him, “But Jesus, being wearied with the journey, was sitting [to rest];” … [[John 4:6]] AH 3, XXII:2 p454 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/532">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-3-xxiv1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-3-xxiv1">AH 3, XXIV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But [it has, on the other hand, been shown], that the preaching of the Church is everywhere consistent, and continues in an even course, and receives testimony from the prophets, the apostles, and all the disciples … “For in the Church,” it is said, “od hath set apostles, prophets, teachers,” [[1 Corinithians 12:28]] and all the other means through which the Spirit works; AH 3, XXIV:1 p458 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/544">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-preface1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-preface1">AH 4, Preface:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And since they allege that the Creator originated from a defect or apostasy, so have they also taught that Christ and the Holy Spirit were emitted on account of this defect, and that the Saviour was a product of those Aeons who were produced from a defect; so that there is nothing but blasphemy to be found among them. In the preceding book, then, the ideas of the apostles as to all these points have been set forth, [to the effect] that not only did they, “who from the beginning were eye-witnesses and ministers of the word” [[Luke 1:2]] of truth, hold no such opinions, but that they did also preach to us to shun these doctrines, [[2 Timothy 2:23]] foreseeing by the Spirit those weak-minded persons who should be led astray. AH 4, Preface:1 p462 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/559">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-i1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-i1">AH 4, I:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… and likewise that the apostles did of themselves term no one else as God, or name [no other] as Lord … AH 4, I:1 p463 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/562">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-i2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-i2">AH 4, I:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The apostles, too, according to these men’s showing, are proved to be transgressors of the commandment, since they confess the Creator as God, and Lord, and Father, as I have shown — if He is not alone God and Father. Jesus, therefore, will be to them the author and teacher of such transgression, inasmuch as He commanded: that one Being should be called Father, [[Matthew 23:9]] thus imposing upon them the necessity of confessing the Creator as their Father, as has been pointed out. AH 4 I:2 p463 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/563">BKV</a> (Matthew, SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-ii3-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-ii3-john-reference">AH 4, II:3 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>3/ But since the writings (<em>literae</em>) of Moses are the words of Christ, He does Himself declare to the Jews, as John has recorded in the Gospel: “If ye had believed Moses, ye would have believed Me: for he wrote of Me. But if ye believe not his writings, neither will ye believe My words.” [[John 5:46-47]] AH 4, II:3 p464 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/567">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-iv1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-iv1">AH 4, IV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The fruit, therefore, having been sown throughout all the world, she (Jerusalem) was deservedly forsaken, and those things which had formerly brought forth fruit abundantly were taken away; for from these, according to the flesh, were Christ and the apostles enabled to bring forth fruit. AH 4, IV:1 p466 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/575">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-v4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-v4">AH 4, V:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>4/ Righteously also the apostles, being of the race of Abraham, left the ship and their father, and followed the Word. AH 4, V:4 p467 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/582">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-vi1-john-apostle-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-vi1-john-apostle-reference">AH 4, VI:1 (John, apostle reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ For the Lord, revealing Himself to His disciples, that He Himself is the Word, who imparts knowledge of the Father, and reproving the Jews, who imagined that they had [the knowledge of] God, while they nevertheless rejected His Word, through whom God is made known, declared, “No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whom the Son has willed to reveal [Him].” [[Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22]] Thus hath Matthew set it down, and Luke in like manner, and Mark [[see Roberts footnote below]] the very same; for John omits this passage. They, however, who would be wiser than the apostles, write [the verse] in the following manner: “No man knew the Father, but the Son; nor the Son, but the Father, and he to whom the Son has willed to reveal [Him];” … AH 4, VI:1 p468 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/584">BKV</a> (maybe Matthew and AJG)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Roberts footnote: “Not now to be found in Mark’s Gospel.”</p>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-viii3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-viii3">AH 4, VIII:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For David had been appointed a priest by God, although Saul persecuted him. For all the righteous possess the sacerdotal rank. And all the apostles of the Lord are priests, who do inherit here neither lands nor houses, but serve God and the altar continually. AH 4, VIII:3 p471 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/600">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-x1-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-x1-john-reference">AH 4, X:1 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Wherefore also John does appropriately relate that the Lord said to the Jews: “Ye search the Scriptures, in which ye think ye have eternal life; these are they which testify of me. And ye are not willing to come unto Me, that ye may have life.” [[John 5:39-40]] AH 4, X:1 p473 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/606">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xii5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xii5">AH 4, XII:5</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>…, the Lord, exposing his covetousness, said to him, “If thou wilt be perfect, go, sell all that thou hast, and distribute to the poor; and come, follow me;” promising to those who would act thus, the portion belonging to the apostles (<em>apostolorum partem</em>). AH 4, XII:5 p476 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/619">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xiv2-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xiv2-john-reference">AH 4, XIV:2 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Thus, in a variety of ways, He adjusted the human race to an agreement with salvation. On this account also does John declare in the Apocalypse, “And His voice as the sound of many waters.” [[Revelation 1:15]] AH 4, XIV:2, p479 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/627">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xv1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xv1">AH 4, XV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Luke also has recorded that Stephen, who was the first elected into the diaconate by the apostles, and who was the first slain for the testimony of Christ, spoke regarding Moses as follows … AH 4, XV:1 p480 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/630">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xv2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xv2">AH 4, XV:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But why say I these things [[adaptation for hardness of heart]] concerning the Old Testament? For in the New also are the apostles found doing this very thing, on the ground which has been mentioned, Paul plainly declaring, “But these things I say, not the Lord.” And again: “But this I speak by permission, not by commandment.” And again: “Now, as concerning virgins, I have no commandment from the Lord; yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.” But further, in another place he says: “That Satan tempt you not for your incontinence.” If, therefore, even in the New Testament, the apostles are found granting certain precepts in consideration of human infirmity, because of the incontinence of some, … AH 4, XV:2 p480 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/631">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xvi1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xvi1">AH 4, XVI:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For “we,” says the apostle, “have been circumcised with the circumcision made without hands.” [[Colossians 2:11]] And the prophet declares, “Circumcise the hardness of your heart.” But the Sabbaths taught that we should continue day by day in God’s service. “For we have been counted,” says the Apostle Paul, “all the day long as sheep for the slaughter;” AH 4, XVI:1 p482 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/632">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xvii5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xvii5">AH 4, XVII:5</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And the cup likewise, which is part of that creation to which we belong, He confessed to be His blood, and taught the new oblation of the new covenant ; which the Church receiving from the apostles, offers to God throughout all the world, AH 4, XVII:5 p484 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/643">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xvii6-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xvii6-john-reference">AH 4, XVII:6 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Since, therefore, the name of the Son belongs to the Father, and since in the omnipotent God the Church makes offerings through Jesus Christ, He says well on both these grounds, “And in every place incense is offered to My name, and a pure sacrifice.” Now John, in the Apocalypse, declares that the “incense” is “the prayers of the saints.” [[Revelation 5:8]] AH 4, XVII:6 p484 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/644">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xviii6-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xviii6-john-reference">AH 4, XVIII:6 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The altar, then, is in heaven (for towards that place are our prayers and oblations directed); the temple likewise [is there], as John says in the Apocalypse, “And the temple of God was opened:” [[Revelation 11:19]] the tabernacle also: “For, behold,” He says, “the tabernacle of God, in which He will dwell with men.” [[Revelation 21:3]] AH 4, XVIII:6 p486 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/651">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xx2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xx2">AH 4, XX:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>In accordance with this, too, does the apostle say, “There is one God, the Father, who is above all, and in us all.” [[Ephesians 4:6]]. AH 4, XX:2 p488 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/658">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xx6" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xx6">AH 4, XX:6</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But the apostle expounded this very passage, when he said, “Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit; …” [[1 Corinthians 12:4]] AH 4, XX:6 p489 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/662">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xx11-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xx11-john-reference">AH 4, XX:11 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>John also, the Lord’s disciple, when beholding the sacerdotal and glorious advent of His kingdom, says in the Apocalypse: “I turned to see the voice that spake with me …” … But when John could not endure the sight (for he says, “I fell at his feet as dead;” [[Revelation 1:17]] that what was written r might come to pass: “No man sees God, and shall live” [[Exodus 33:20]]), and the Word reviving him, and reminding him that it was He upon whose bosom he had leaned at supper, when he put the question as to who should betray Him, declared: “I am the first and the last, and He who liveth, and was dead, and behold I am alive for evermore, and have the keys of death and of hell.” [[Revelation 1:17]] AH 4, XX:11 p491 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/667">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xx12" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xx12">AH 4, XX:12</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And for this reason, Paul declares that the “unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband.” Then again, the prophet names his children, “Not having obtained mercy,” and “Not a people,” in order that, as says the apostle, “what was not a people may become a people; and she who did not obtain mercy may obtain mercy. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said, This is not a people, there shall they be called the children of the living God.” That which had been done typically through his actions by the prophet, the apostle proves to have been done truly by Christ in the Church. AH 4, XX:12 p492 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/668">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxi1-2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxi1-2">AH 4, XXI:1-2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ But that our faith was also prefigured in Abraham, and that he was the patriarch of our faith, and, as it were, the prophet of it, the apostle has very fully taught, when he says in the Epistle to the Galatians “He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, … So then they which be of faith shall be blessed with faithful Abraham.” For which [reasons the apostle] declared that this man was not only the prophet of faith, …</p>
<p>2/ The history of Isaac, too, is not without a symbolical character. For in the Epistle to the Romans, the apostle declares AH 4, XXI:1-2 p492-3 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/670">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxi3-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxi3-john-reference">AH 4, XXI:3 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For to this end was the Lord born, the type of whose birth he set forth beforehand, of whom also John says in the Apocalypse: “He went forth conquering, that He should conquer.” [[Revelation 6:2]] AH 4, XXI:3, p493 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/672">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxiii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxiii2">AH 4, XXIII:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For this reason, too, did the apostles, collecting the sheep which had perished of the house of Israel, and discoursing to them from the Scriptures, prove that this crucified Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God; AH 4, XXIII:2 p495 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/678">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxiv1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxiv1">AH 4, XXIV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Wherefore also Paul, since he was the apostle of the Gentiles, says, … As I have pointed out in the preceding book, the apostle did, in the first place, instruct the Gentiles to depart from the superstition of idols, AH 4, XXIV:1 p495 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/680">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxvi2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxvi2">AH 4, XXVI:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>2/ Wherefore it is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church, — those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the certain gift of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. AH 4, XXVI:2 p497 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/689">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxvi4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxvi4">AH 4, XXVI:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>4/ From all such persons, therefore, it behoves us to keep aloof, but to adhere to those who, as I have already observed, do hold the doctrine of the apostles, and who, together with the order of priesthood (<em>presbyterii ordine</em>), display sound speech and blameless conduct for the confirmation and correction of others. AH 4, XXVI:4 p497 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/691">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxvi4-1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxvi4-1">AH 4, XXVI:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>In this strain also the Apostle Paul, inasmuch as he had a good conscience, said to the Corinthians … AH 4, XXVI:4 p498 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/691">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxvi5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxvi5">AH 4, XXVI:5</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Paul then, teaching us where one may find such [[faithful servants]], says, “God hath placed in the Church, first, apostles; secondly, prophets ; thirdly, teachers.” Where, therefore, the gifts of the Lord have been placed, there it behoves us to learn the truth, [namely,] from those who possess that succession of the Church which is from the apostles, and among whom exists that which is sound and blameless in conduct, as well as that which is unadulterated and incorrupt in speech. AH 4, XXVI:5 p498 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/692">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxvii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxvii1">AH 4, XXVII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ As I have heard from a certain presbyter, who had heard it from those who had seen the apostles, and from those who had been their disciples, the punishment [declared] in Scripture was sufficient for the ancients in regard to what they did without the Spirit’s guidance. AH 4, XXVII:1 p498 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/693">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxvii4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxvii4">AH 4, XXVII:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>4/ Since therefore, beyond all doubt and contradiction, the apostle [[following quote of 1 Corinthians]] shows that there is one and the same God, … and the apostle says, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? …” [[1 Corinthians 6:9]] … And again does the apostle say, “Let no man deceive you with vain words; …” [[Ephesians 5:6]] … here also does the apostle likewise say: “For the wrath of God shall be revealed from heaven …” [[Romans 1:18] … So says the apostle, in like manner, in the Epistle to the Thessalonians: … AH 4, XXVII:4 p500 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/697">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxviii3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxviii3">AH 4, XXVIII:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For if He had not so come, it follows that these men could not have become the slayers of their Lord; and if He had not sent prophets to them, they certainly could not have killed them, nor the apostles either. AH 4, XXVIII:3 p501 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/701">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxviii3-1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxviii3-1">AH 4, XXVIII:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Unless, then, the Jews had become the slayers of the Lord (which did, indeed, take eternal life away from them), and, by killing the apostles and persecuting the Church, had fallen into an abyss of wrath, we could not have been saved. AH 4, XXVIII:3 p501 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/701">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxviii3-2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxviii3-2">AH 4, XXVIII:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For the apostle does also say in the Second [Epistle] to the Corinthians: AH 4, XXVIII:3 p501 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/701">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxix1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxix1">AH 4, XXIX:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>In accordance with this word, therefore, does the apostle say, in the Second [Epistle] to the Corinthians: AH 4, XXIX:1 p502 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/703">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-4-xxx-4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-4-xxx-4">AH 4, XXX:4 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And if any one will devote a close attention to those things which are stated by the prophets with regard to the [time of the] end and those which John the disciple of the Lord saw in the Apocalypse, he will find that the nations [are to] receive the same plagues universally, as Egypt then did particularly. AH 4, XXX:4 p504 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/709">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxii1">AH 4, XXXII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ After this fashion also did a presbyter [[perhaps Polycarp]] a disciple of the apostles, reason with respect to the two testaments, proving that both were truly from one and the same God. AH 4, XXXII:1 p505 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/715">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxii1-1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxii1-1">AH 4, XXXII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… and the Apostle Paul [says] in like manner, “There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father, who is above all, and through all, and in us all” [[Ephesians 4:5-6]] AH 4, XXXII:1 p506 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/715">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxii2">AH 4, XXXII:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>2/ For all the apostles taught that there were indeed two testaments among the two peoples; but that it was one and the same God who appointed both for the advantage of those men (for whose sakes the testaments were given) who were to believe in God, I have proved in the third book from the very teaching of the apostles; and that the first testament was not given without reason, or to no purpose, or in an accidental sort of manner; AH 4, XXXII:2 p506 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/716">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxiii8" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxiii8">AH 4, XXXIII:8</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>8/ True knowledge is [that which consists in] the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient constitution s of the Church throughout all the world, AH 4, XXXIII:8 p508 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/725">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxiii11" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxiii11">AH 4, XXXIII:11</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And the apostle in like manner says [of them], “Who shall be punished with everlasting death from the face of the Lord, …” [[2 Thessalonians 1:9]] AH 4, XXXIII:11 p509 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/728">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxiv1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxiv1">AH 4, XXXIV:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… read with earnest care that Gospel which has been conveyed to us by the apostles, and read with earnest care the prophets, and you will find that the whole conduct, and all the doctrine, and all the sufferings of our Lord, were predicted through them. AH 4, XXXIV:1 p511 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/734">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxiv2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxiv2">AH 4, XXXIV:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>To this effect, also Paul, His apostle, says in the Epistle to the Romans, … AH 4, XXXIV:2 p511 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/735">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxiv4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxiv4">AH 4, XXXIV:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But if the law of liberty, that is, the word of God, preached by the apostles (who went forth from Jerusalem) throughout all the earth, … AH 4, XXXIV:4 p512 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/737">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-4-xxxv-2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-4-xxxv-2">AH 4, XXXV:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>2/ But if, when the Saviour came to this earth, He sent His apostles into the world to proclaim with accuracy His advent, and to teach the Father’s will, … Therefore let them not any longer assert that Peter and Paul and the other apostles proclaimed the truth, but that it was the scribes and Pharisees, and the others, through whom the law was propounded. But if, at His advent, He sent forth His own apostles in the spirit of truth, and not in that of error, He did the very same also in the case of the prophets … AH 4, XXXV:2 p513 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/741">BKV</a> (?12, SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxvi3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxvi3">AH 4, XXXVI:3</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>…; on which day He [[Jesus]] declares that it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah than for that city and house which shall not receive the word of His apostles. AH 4, XXXVI:3 p516 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/748">BKV</a> (12)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxvi5" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxvi5">AH 4, XXXVI:5</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The Lord, therefore, who has called us everywhere by the apostles, is He who called those of old by the prophets, as appears by the words of the Lord; and although they preached to various nations, the prophets were not from one God, and the apostles from another; but, [proceeding] from one and the same, some of them announced the Lord, others preached the Father, and others again foretold the advent of the Son of God, while yet others declared Him as already present to those who then were afar off. AH 4, XXXVI:5 p517 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/750">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxvi6" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxvi6">AH 4, XXXVI:6</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… for this is the wedding garment, of which also the apostle speaks, “Not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up by immortality.” [[2 Corinthians 5:5]] … Wherefore also the Apostle Paul says in the Epistle to the Romans, “… Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For this cause pay ye tribute also; for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.” Both the Lord, then, and the apostles announce as the one only God the Father, Him who gave the law … AH 4, XXXVI:6 p517 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/751">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxvi8" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxvi8">AH 4, XXXVI:8</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>If, then, those who do believe in Him through the preaching of His apostles throughout the east and west shall recline with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven, … AH 4, XXXVI:8 p518 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/753">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxvii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxvii1">AH 4, XXXVII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… Rejecting therefore the good, and as it were spuing it out, they shall all deservedly incur the just judgment of God, which also the Apostle Paul testifies in his Epistle to the Romans, …” “But glory and honour,” he says, “to every one that doeth good.” [[Romans 2:7]] God therefore has given that which is good, as the apostle tells us in this Epistle, … AH 4, XXXVII:1 p518-9 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/754">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxvii4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxvii4">AH 4, XXXVII:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>If then [[quoting 1 Corinthians 6]] it were not in our power to do or not to do these things, what reason had the apostle, and much more the Lord Himself, to give us counsel to do some things, and to abstain from others? AH 4, XXXVII:4 p519 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/758">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxvii7" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxvii7">AH 4, XXXVII:7</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>On this account also Paul the Apostle says to the Corinthians, “Know ye not, that they who run in a racecourse, do all indeed run, but one receiveth the prize? …” … Since, then, this power has been conferred upon us, both the Lord has taught and the apostle has enjoined us the more to love God, that we may reach this [prize] for ourselves by striving after it. AH 4, XXXVII:7 p520 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/761">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xxxviii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xxxviii2">AH 4, XXXVIII:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>2/ And on this account does Paul declare to the Corinthians, “I have fed you with milk, not with meat, for hitherto ye were not able to bear it.” … As, therefore, the apostle had the power to give them strong meat — for those upon whom the apostles laid hands received the Holy Spirit, who is the food of life [eternal] — … AH 4, XXXVIII:2 p521 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/764">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-4-xli4" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-4-xli4">AH 4, XLI:4</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But it is necessary to subjoin to this composition, in what follows [[book 5 of AH]], also the doctrine of Paul after the words of the Lord, to examine the opinion of this man, and expound the apostle, … and to demonstrate from that same Paul, from whose [writings] they press questions upon us, that they are indeed utterers of falsehood, but that the apostle was a preacher of the truth, and that he taught all things agreeable to the preaching of the truth; … Arranging, then, in another book, the rest of the words of the Lord, which He taught concerning the Father not by parables, but by expressions taken in their obvious meaning (<em>sed simpliciter ipsis dictionibus</em>), and the exposition of the Epistles of the blessed apostle, I shall, with God’s aid, furnish thee with the complete work of the exposure and refutation of knowledge, falsely so called … AH 4, XLI:4 p525 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/782">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-preface" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-preface">AH 5, Preface</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Then I have pointed out the truth, and shown the preaching of the Church, which the prophets proclaimed (as I have already demonstrated), but which Christ brought to perfection, and the apostles have handed down, from whom the Church, receiving [these truths], and throughout all the world alone preserving them in their integrity (<em>bene</em>), has transmitted them to her sons. Then also — having disposed of all questions which the heretics propose to us, and having explained the doctrine of the apostles, and clearly set forth many of those things which were said and done by the Lord in parables … AH 5, Preface p526 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/783">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-ii2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-ii2">AH 5, II:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>By His own blood he redeemed us, as also His apostle declares, “In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the remission of sins.” [[Colossians 1:14]] AH 5, II:2 p528 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/791">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-iii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-iii1">AH 5, III:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The Apostle Paul has, moreover, in the most lucid manner, pointed out … in the second [Epistle] to the Corinthians: “… Gladly therefore shall I rather glory in infirmities, that the power of Christ may dwell in me.” What, therefore? (as some may exclaim:) did the Lord wish, in that case, that His apostles should thus undergo buffeting, and that he should endure such infirmity? Even so it was; the word says it. AH 5, III:1 p529 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/794">BKV</a> (Paul, SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-v1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-v1">AH 5, V:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>In paradise certainly, as the Scripture declares: “And God planted a garden [<em>paradisum</em>] eastward in Eden, and there He placed the man whom He had formed.” And then afterwards, when [man] proved disobedient, he was cast out thence into this world. Wherefore also the elders who were disciples of the apostles tell us that those who were translated were transferred to that place (for paradise has been prepared for righteous men, such as have the Spirit; in which place also Paul the apostle, when he was caught up, heard words which are unspeakable as regards us in our present condition), and that there shall they who have been translated remain until the consummation [of all things], as a prelude to immortality. AH 5, V:1 p531 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/801">BKV</a> (SA, Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-vi1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-vi1">AH 5, VI:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For this reason does the apostle declare, “We speak wisdom among them that are perfect,” [[1 Corinthians 2:6]] … In like manner we do also hear many brethren in the Church, who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light for the general benefit the hidden things of men, and declare the mysteries of God, whom also the apostle terms “spiritual,” … AH 5 VI:1 p531 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/804">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-vi1-1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-vi1-1">AH 5, VI:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And for this cause does the apostle, explaining himself, make it clear that the saved man is a complete man as well as a spiritual man; saying thus in the first Epistle to the Thessalonians, … AH 5 VI:1 p532 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/804">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-vi2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-vi2">AH 5, VI:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And not only does he (the apostle) acknowledge our bodies to be a temple, but even the temple of Christ, saying thus to the Corinthians, “Know ye not that your bodies are members of Christ? …” AH 5 VI:2 p532 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/805">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-viii1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-viii1">AH 5, VIII:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ But we do now receive a certain portion of His Spirit, tending towards perfection, and preparing us for incorruption, being little by little accustomed to receive and bear God; which also the apostle terms “an earnest,” that is, a part of the honour which has been promised us by God, where he says in the Epistle to the Ephesians, … AH 5, VIII:1 p533 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/809">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-5-xviii-2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-5-xviii-2">AH 5, XVIII:2 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And to these things does John also, the disciple of the Lord, bear witness, when he speaks thus in the Gospel: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made.” [[John 1:1-3]] And then he said of the Word Himself: “He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. To His own things He came, and His own people received Him not. However, as many as did receive Him, to these gave He power to become the sons of God, to those that believe in His name.” [[John 1:10-13]] And again, showing the dispensation with regard to His human nature, John said: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.” [[John 1:14]] AH 5, XVIII:2 p546 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/860">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xx1" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xx1">AH 5, XX:1</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Now all these [heretics] are of much later date than the bishops to whom the apostles committed the Churches; which fact I have in the third book taken all pains to demonstrate. … But the path of those belonging to the Church circumscribes the whole world, as possessing the sure tradition from the apostles, and gives unto us to see that the faith of all is one and the same, since all receive one and the same God the Father, … AH 5, XX:1 p547-8 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/865">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xxv2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xxv2">AH 5, XXV:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Now I have shown in the third book, that no one is termed God by the apostles when speaking for themselves, except Him who truly is God, the Father of our Lord, AH 5, XXV:2 p553 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/885">BKV</a> (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xxvi1-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xxvi1-john-reference">AH 5, XXVI:1 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ In a still clearer light has John, in the Apocalypse, indicated to the Lord’s disciples what shall happen in the last times, and concerning the ten kings who shall then arise, among whom the empire which now rules [the earth] shall be partitioned. AH 5, XXVI:1 p554 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/890">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xxvi2" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xxvi2">AH 5, XXVI:2</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>That before the Lord’s appearance Satan never dared to blaspheme God, inasmuch as he did not yet know his own sentence, because it was contained in parables and allegories; but that after the Lord’s appearance, when he had clearly ascertained from the words of Christ and His apostles that eternal fire has been prepared for him as he apostatized from God of his own free-will, and likewise for all who unrepentant continue in the apostasy, he now blasphemes, … AH 5, XXVI:2 p555 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/891">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xxviii2-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xxviii2-john-reference">AH 5, XXVIII:2 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… and at the proper time sending such a man, “that they may believe a lie, that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but consented to unrighteousness;” whose coming John has thus described in the Apocalypse: “And the beast which I had seen was like unto a leopard, and his feet as of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion; …” [[Revelation 13:2]] John says further: “And he shall order an image of the beast to be made, and he shall give breath to the image, so that the image shall speak; and he shall cause those to be slain who will not adore it.” AH 5, XXVIII:2 p557 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/897">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xxx1-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xxx1-john-reference">AH 5, XXX:1 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>1/ Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, [if reckoned] according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters, contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six;… AH 5, XXX:1 p558 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/904">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xxxiii4-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xxxiii4-john-reference">AH 5, XXXIII:4 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs unquestionably to the times of the kingdom, when the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the dead; when also the creation, having been renovated and set free, shall fructify with an abundance of all kinds of food, from the dew of heaven, and from the fertility of the earth: as the elders who saw John, the disciple of the Lord, related, that they had heard from him how the Lord used to teach in regard to these times, and say: The days will come, in which vines shall grow, each having ten thousand branches, and in each branch ten thousand twigs, and in each true twig ten thousand shoots, and in each one of the shoots ten thousand clusters, and on every one of the clusters ten thousand grapes, and every grape when pressed will give five and twenty metretes of wine. And when any one of the saints shall lay hold of a cluster, another shall cry out, “I am a better cluster, take me; bless the Lord through me.” In like manner [the Lord declared] that a grain of wheat would produce ten thousand ears, and that every ear should have ten thousand grains, and every grain would yield ten pounds (<em>quinque bilibres</em>) of clear, pure, fine flour; and that all other fruit-bearing trees, and seeds and grass, would produce in similar proportions (<em>secundum congruentiam iis consequentem</em>); and that all animals feeding [only] on the productions of the earth, should [in those days] become peaceful and harmonious among each other, and be in perfect subjection to man. <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/917">BKV</a></p>
<p>4/ And these things are borne witness to in writing by Papias, the hearer of John, and a companion of Polycarp, in his fourth book; for there were five books compiled (συντεταγμενα) by him. And he says in addition, “Now these things are credible to believers.” And he says that, “when the traitor Judas did not give credit to them, and put the question, ‘How then can things about to bring forth so abundantly be wrought by the Lord?’ the Lord declared, ‘They who shall come to these [times] shall see.’” AH 5, XXXIII:4, p562 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/918">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xxxiv2-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xxxiv2-john-reference">AH 5, XXXIV:2 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Again John also says the very same in the Apocalypse: “Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.” [[Revelation 20:6]] AH 5, XXXIV:2, p564 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/921">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="sec-ah-5-xxxiv-3" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-ah-5-xxxiv-3">AH 5, XXXIV:3 (disciples of the Lord)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Now, in the preceding book I have shown that, all the disciples of the Lord are Levites and priests, they who used in the temple to profane the Sabbath, but are blameless.” AH 5, XXXIV:3, p564 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/922">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xxxv2-john-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xxxv2-john-reference">AH 5, XXXV:2 (John reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>And in the Apocalypse John saw this new [Jerusalem] descending upon the new earth. [[Revelation 21:2]] … When these things, therefore, pass away above the earth, John, the Lord’s disciple, says that the new Jerusalem above shall [then] descend, as a bride adorned for her husband; [[Revelation 21:2]] and that this is the tabernacle of God, in which God will dwell with men. AH 5, XXXV:2 p566 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/926">BKV</a></p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="ah-5-xxxvi1-3-john-apostle-reference" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="ah-5-xxxvi1-3-john-apostle-reference">AH 5, XXXVI:1-3 (John, apostle reference)</h3>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>But when this [present] fashion [of things] passes away, and man has been renewed, and flourishes in an incorruptible state, so as to preclude the possibility of becoming old, [then] there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, in which the new man shall remain [continually], always holding fresh converse with God. And since {or, that) these things shall ever continue without end, Isaiah declares, “For as the new heavens and the new earth which I do make, continue in my sight, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.” And as the presbyters say, Then those who are deemed worthy of an abode in heaven shall go there, others shall enjoy the delights of paradise, and others shall possess the splendour of the city; for everywhere the Saviour shall be seen according as they who see Him shall be worthy. <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/928">BKV</a></p>
<p>2/ [They say, moreover], that there is this distinction between the habitation of those who produce an hundred-fold, and that of those who produce sixty-fold, and that of those who produce thirty-fold: for the first will be taken up into the heavens, the second will dwell in paradise, the last will inhabit the city; and that it was on this account the Lord declared, “In My Father’s house are many mansions.” [[John 14:2]] For all things belong to God, who supplies all with a suitable dwelling-place; even as His Word says, that a share is allotted to all by the Father, according as each person is or shall be worthy. And this is the couch on which the guests shall recline, having been invited to the wedding. The presbyters, the disciples of the apostles, affirm that this is the gradation and arrangement of those who are saved, and that they advance through steps of this nature; also that they ascend through the Spirit to the Son, and through the Son to the Father, and that in due time the son will yield up His work to the Father, even as it is said by the apostle, “For He must reign till He hath put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” [[1 Cor 15:25-26]] For in the times of the kingdom, the righteous man who is upon the earth shall then forget to die. “But when He saith, All things shall be subdued unto Him, it is manifest that He is excepted who did put all things under Him. And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.” [[1 Cor 15:27-28]] <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/929">BKV</a> (SA, Paul)</p>
<p>3/ John, therefore, did distinctly foresee the first “resurrection of the just,” [[Luke 14:14]] and the inheritance in the kingdom of the earth; and what the prophets have prophesied concerning it harmonize [with his vision]. For the Lord also taught these things, when He promised that He would have the mixed cup new with His disciples in the kingdom. The apostle, too, has confessed that the creation shall be free from the bondage of corruption, [so as to pass] into the liberty of the sons of God. [[Romans 8:21]] AH 5, XXXVI:2-3 p567 <a href="https://bkv.unifr.ch/en/works/cpg-1306/versions/against-heresies/divisions/930">BKV</a> (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
</section>
<section id="use-of-john-apostle-in-demonstration-of-the-apostolic-preaching" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="use-of-john-apostle-in-demonstration-of-the-apostolic-preaching">Use of “John”, “apostle” in “Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching”</h2>
<p>See <a href="https://www.ccel.org/ccel/irenaeus/demonstr.preaching_the_demonstration_of_the_apostolic_preaching.html">Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching</a> (DAP). For history and text see <span class="citation" data-cites="smith1952irenaeus_proof">Irenaeus of Lyons (1952)</span>. From Smith:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The Proof was for long supposed to have been irretrievably lost, but in 1904 an Armenian version of it was found, in a manuscript belonging to the church of Our Lady at Erevan (now the capital of Soviet Armenia) by the Most Rev.&nbsp;Archimandrite (of Etschmiadzin) Karapet Ter Mekerttschian, … (Smith p4)</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… our only sources for the text of the Proof are this manuscript and a few Armenian fragments. (Smith p7)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>DAP (from Smith):</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… Now, this is what faith does for us, as the elders, the disciples of the apostles, have handed down to us. … DAP 3, p49 (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… Hence too His apostle Paul well says … DAP 5, p50 (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… as the blessed apostle says: <em>knowing not, that the benignity of God leadeth thee to penance …</em>” … [[Romans 2:4]] DAP 8, p52 (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… Taught by Him, and witnesses of all His good works and of His teaching and of His passion and death and resurrection and ascent into heaven after the bodily resurrection, were the apostles, who after <the descent="" of=""> the power of the Holy Spirit were sent by Him into the whole world and carried out the calling of the Gentiles, … DAP 41, p73 (?12, SA)</the></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… To this purpose also His disciple John, telling us who God’s Son is, who was with the Father before the world was made, says also, that it was through Him that all creatures were made, as follows: <em>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; the same was in the beginning with God; all things were made by Him, and without Him was made nothing;</em>… [[John 1:1-3]] DAP 43, p75-76</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… He has both caused to gush forth in abundance in the desert a stream of water from a rock — and the rock is Himself — and given twelve springs — that is, the teaching of the twelve apostles … DAP 46, p77-78 (12)</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… And “oil of anointing” is the Spirit, through whom He is the Anointed, and “His fellows” are the prophets and the just and the apostles, and all who receive fellowship of His kingdom, that is, His disciples. … DAP 47, p78 (12 / SA)</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… and true the tradition of the preaching, that is, the witness of the apostles, who, sent by the Lord, preached to the whole world that the Son of God was come unto sufferings … DAP 86, p100 (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… And therefore the apostle Paul says: <em>Love is the fulfilment of the law</em>, … [[Romans 13:10]] DAP 87, p101 (Paul)</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>94/ So through the new calling a change of heart comes about in the Gentiles, through the Word of God, when He became incarnate and tabernacled with men, as also His disciple John says: <em>and His Word was made flesh and dwelt among us</em>. … [[John 1:14]] DAP 94, p104</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>98/ This, beloved, is the preaching of the truth, this is the manner of our salvation, and this is the way of life, announced by the prophets and ratified by Christ and handed over by the apostles and handed down by the Church in the whole world to her children. … DAP 98, p108 (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… And others again despise the coming of the Son of God and the dispensation of His incarnation, which the apostles have transmitted to us, and which the prophets foretold would be the summing-up of humanity, as we have shown you in brief. … DAP 99, p108 (SA)</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="use-of-john-and-apostle-in-fragments-attributed-to-irenaeus" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="use-of-john-and-apostle-in-fragments-attributed-to-irenaeus">Use of “John” and apostle” in fragments attributed to Irenaeus</h2>
<p>These are from various sources, noted below for each.</p>
<p><a href="https://archive.org/details/42ALibraryOfFathersOfTheHolyCatholicV42">Keble 1872</a>:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>With regard to the genuineness of the fragments, Massuet the Benedictine Editor who had bestowed much pains in verifying those which his predecessors had collected from Catenae, &amp;c., points out (i. 338) that they were of two kinds, those given by Eusebius and other ancient writers being undoubtedly genuine, those given by later writers or again by Catenae (whose compilers constantly condensed very considerably, whose transcribers sometimes put by mistake the wrong name) are of more doubtful authority. Massuet sums up, <em>We give here all the fragments which have been collected by Feuardent, Halloix, Sirmond, Combefis, Grabe and others and those which ourselves have collected, yet not attaching to them more credit than they deserve.</em></p>
<p>The first 13 fragments and the 6 Syriac ones and again those marked 35 to 38 will probably be genuine, the 14th and again the last fragment from the Armenian almost certainly spurious; of the Catenae-fragments some rest on the authority of several Mss., (and for these the probability of the wrong name having been appended is very considerably diminished,) some again at present on that of one Ms.&nbsp;only, while fragment xxxix attributed to S. Irenœus by the Vatican Ms.&nbsp;331 and one of the Mss. used by the editor of the Leipzig Catena, is by bis other Ms.&nbsp;attributed to Diodorus, and probably also (since Muenter was the first to publish it) the 3 Paris Catenae consulted by Massuet attribute this fragment to Diodorus or some other writer.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>(The 6 Syriac fragments have labels “a” through “f”. There follows fragment “g”, the last listed fragment, which must be the “the last fragment from the Armenian” referred to above.)</p>
<section id="sec-florinus" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="sec-florinus">Letter to Florinus (John, apostle)</h3>
<p>From Roberts (<span class="citation" data-cites="anf01">Roberts and Donaldson (1885a)</span>), above, p568 (Roberts, Keble fragment #II, likely genuine). Notes from Roberts):</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>This interesting extract we also owe to Eusebius, who (<em>ut sup.</em>) took it from the work <em>De Ogdoade</em>, written after this former friend of Irenaeus had lapsed to Valentinianism. Florinus had previously held that God was the author of evil, which sentiment Irenaeus opposed in a treatise, now lost, called περι μοναρχιας.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Text:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>These opinions, Florinus, that I may speak in mild terms, are not of sound doctrine ; these opinions are not consonant to the Church, and involve their votaries in the utmost impiety; these opinions, even the heretics beyond the Church’s pale have never ventured to broach ; these opinions, those presbyters who preceded us, and who were conversant with the apostles, did not hand down to thee. For, while I was yet a boy, I saw thee in Lower Asia with Poly- carp, distinguishing thyself in the royal court, and endeavouring to gain his approbation. For I have a more vivid recollection of what occurred at that time than of recent events (inasmuch as the experiences of childhood, keeping pace with the growth of the soul, become incorporated with it) ; so that I can even describe the place where the blessed Polycarp used to sit and discourse — his going out, too, and his coming in — his general mode of life and personal appearance, together with the discourses which he delivered to the people; also how he would speak of his familiar intercourse with John, and with the rest of those who had seen the Lord; and how he would call their words to remembrance. Whatsoever things he had heard from them respecting the Lord, both with regard to His miracles and His teaching, Polycarp having thus received [information] from the eye-witnesses of the Word of life, would recount them all in harmony with the Scriptures. These things, through God’s mercy which was upon, me, I then listened to attentively, and treasured them up not on paper, but in my heart; and I am continually, by God’s grace, revolving these things accurately in my mind. And I can bear witness before God, that if that blessed and apostolical presbyter had heard any such thing, he would have cried out, and stopped his ears exclaiming as he was wont to do: “O good God, for what times hast Thou reserved me, that I should endure these things?” And he would have fled from the very spot where, sitting; or standing, he had heard such words. This fact, too, can be made clear, from his Epistles — which he despatched, whether to the neighbouring Churches to confirm them, or to certain of the brethren, admonishing and exhorting them.</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="letter-to-victor-on-observance-of-easter" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="letter-to-victor-on-observance-of-easter">Letter to Victor on observance of Easter</h3>
<p>Roberts, p568-9 (Roberts, Keble fragment #III, likely genuine). Note from Roberts:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>We are indebted again to Eusebius for this valuable fragment from the Epistle of Irenaeus to Victor Bishop of Rome (Hist. Eccl. , v. 24 ; copied also by Nicephorus, iv. 39) . It appears to have been a synodical epistle to the head of the- Roman Church, the historian saying that it was written by Irenaeus, “in the name of (ἐκ προσοπτου) those brethren over whom he ruled, throughout Gaul.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Text:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For the controversy is not merely as regards; the day, but also as regards the form itself of the fast. For some consider themselves bound to fast one day, others two days, others still more, while others [do so during] forty : the diurnal and the nocturnal hours they measure out together as their [fasting] day. And this variety among the observers [of the fasts] had not its origin in our time, but long before in that of our predecessors, some of whom probably, being” not very accurate in their observance of it, handed down to posterity the custom as it had, through simplicity or private fancy, been [introduced among them] . And yet nevertheless all these lived in peace one with another, and we also keep peace together. Thus, in fact, the difference [in observing] the fast establishes the harmony of [our common] faith. And the presbyters preceding Soter in the government of the Church which thou dost now rule — I mean, Anicetus and Pius, Hyginus and Telesphorus, and Sixtus — did neither themselves observe it [after that fashion], nor permit those with them to do so. Notwithstanding this, those who did not keep [the feast in this way] were peacefully disposed towards those who came to them from other dioceses in which it was [so] observed, although such observance was [felt] in more decided contrariety [as presented] to those who did not fall in with it ; and none were ever cast out [of the Church] for this matter. On the contrary, those presbyters who preceded thee, and who did not observe [this custom], sent the Eucharist to those of other dioceses who did observe it. And when the blessed Polycarp was sojourning in Rome in the time of Anicetus, although a slight controversy had arisen among them as to certain other points, they were at once well inclined towards each other [with regard to the matter in hand], not willing that any quarrel should arise between them upon this head. For neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp to forego the observance [in his own way], inasmuch as these things had been always [so] observed by John the disciple of our Lord, and by other apostles with whom he had been conversant ; nor, on the other hand, could Polycarp succeed in persuading Anicetus to keep [the observance in his way], for he maintained that he was bound to adhere to the usage of the presbyters who preceded him. And in this state of affairs they held fellowship with each other ; and Anicetus conceded to Polycarp in the Church the celebration of the Eucharist, by way of showing him respect ; so that they parted in peace one from the other, maintaining peace with the whole Church, both those who did observe [this custom] and those who did not.</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="fragment-xxxi-in-roberts" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="fragment-xxxi-in-roberts">Fragment XXXI in Roberts</h3>
<p>Roberts, p573 (Keble fragment #XXIX, “doubtful”):</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>For the Judge of the whole world is thus proclaimed, who, having been hidden in the heart of the earth in a tomb for three days, and having become a great tree, has stretched forth His branches to the ends of the earth. Sprouting out from Him, the twelve apostles, having become fair and fruitful boughs, were made a shelter for the nations as for the fowls of heaven, under which boughs, all having taken refuge, as birds flocking to a nest, have been made partakers of that wholesome and celestial food which is derived from them. p573</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="roberts-fragment-xxxvi" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="roberts-fragment-xxxvi">Roberts Fragment XXXVI</h3>
<p>Roberts p574, Keble #XXXV, “probably” genuine:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… and “the word is nigh thee, in thy mouth and in thy heart,” [[Romans 10:8]] as the same apostle [[Paul]] declares, being easy of comprehension to those who are obedient.</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="roberts-fragment-xxxvii" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="roberts-fragment-xxxvii">Roberts fragment XXXVII</h3>
<p>Roberts p574, Keble #XXXVI, “probably” genuine:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Those who have become acquainted with the secondary (i.e., under Christ) constitutions of the apostles, are aware that the Lord instituted a new oblation, in the new covenant, according to [the declaration of] Malachi the prophet.</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="roberts-fragment-xxxviii" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="roberts-fragment-xxxviii">Roberts fragment XXXVIII</h3>
<p>Roberts p575, Keble #XXXVII, “probably” genuine:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The apostles ordained, that “we should not judge any one in respect to meat or drink, or in regard to a feast day, or the new moons, or the sabbaths.” [[Colossians 2:16]]</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="roberts-fragment-xl" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="roberts-fragment-xl">Roberts fragment XL</h3>
<p>Roberts p575, Keble #XXXIX “doubtful”:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… For thus, according to the holy apostle, the sin of fornication is perpetrated against the body, as involving also sin against the temple of God. [[1 Corinthians 3:16-17]]</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="roberts-fragment-liv" class="level3">
<h3 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="roberts-fragment-liv">Roberts fragment LIV</h3>
<p>Roberts p577, Keble Syriac fragment <em>e</em>, inside insertion from “not old” Armenian manuscript, unclear if genuine:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… He [[Jesus]] gathered the apostles together, and preached the kingdom of heaven …; He manifested Himself in the body, was suspended upon a beam of wood, and raised from the dead; shown to the apostles, and, having been carried up to heaven, sitteth on the right hand of the Father, …</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
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<div id="quarto-appendix" class="default"><section class="quarto-appendix-contents" id="quarto-bibliography"><h2 class="anchored quarto-appendix-heading">References</h2><div id="refs" class="references csl-bib-body hanging-indent">
<div id="ref-bauckham1993papias" class="csl-entry">
Bauckham, Richard. 1993. <span>“Papias and Polycrates on the Origin of the Fourth Gospel.”</span> <em>The Journal of Theological Studies</em> 44 (1): 24–69. <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/23967081">https://www.jstor.org/stable/23967081</a>.
</div>
<div id="ref-dodd1963historical" class="csl-entry">
Dodd, Charles Harold. 1963. <em>Historical Tradition in the Fourth Gospel</em>. Cambridge University Press.
</div>
<div id="ref-mcgiffert1890eusebius" class="csl-entry">
Eusebius of Caesarea. 1890. <em>The Church History of Eusebius</em>. Edited by Philip Schaff and Henry Wace. Translated by Arthur Cushman McGiffert. Vol. 1. Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series. Christian Literature Publishing Company. <a href="https://archive.org/details/eusebiuschurchhi0001euse">https://archive.org/details/eusebiuschurchhi0001euse</a>.
</div>
<div id="ref-harvey1857sancti_irenaei_2" class="csl-entry">
Harvey, William Wigan. 1857. <em>Sancti Irenaei Episcopi Lugdunensis; Libros Quinque Adversus Haereses</em>. Vol. 2. Cambridge University Press. <a href="https://archive.org/details/10606565bsb">https://archive.org/details/10606565bsb</a>.
</div>
<div id="ref-hengel1989johannine" class="csl-entry">
Hengel, Martin. 1989. <em>The Johannine Question</em>. Translated by John Bowden. SCM Press.
</div>
<div id="ref-smith1952irenaeus_proof" class="csl-entry">
Irenaeus of Lyons. 1952. <em>Proof of the Apostolic Preaching</em>. Translated by Joseph P. Smith. Ancient Christian Writers 16. Newman Press. <a href="https://archive.org/details/stirenaeusproofo012024mbp">https://archive.org/details/stirenaeusproofo012024mbp</a>.
</div>
<div id="ref-lampe1961patristic_lexicon" class="csl-entry">
Lampe, Geoffrey William Hugo. 1961. <em>A Patristic Greek Lexicon</em>. (Oxford). <a href="https://archive.org/details/a-patristic-greek-lexicon-edited-by-g.-w.-h.-lampe.-1961pdf">https://archive.org/details/a-patristic-greek-lexicon-edited-by-g.-w.-h.-lampe.-1961pdf</a>.
</div>
<div id="ref-lightfoot1889supernatural" class="csl-entry">
Lightfoot, J. B. 1889. <em>Essays on the Work Entitled Supernatural Religion</em>. Macmillan; Co. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essaysonworkenti00lighiala">https://archive.org/details/essaysonworkenti00lighiala</a>.
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<div id="ref-lightfoot1904biblical_essays" class="csl-entry">
Lightfoot, J. B. 1904. <em>Biblical Essays</em>. Macmillan; Co. <a href="https://archive.org/details/biblicalessays00lighrich">https://archive.org/details/biblicalessays00lighrich</a>.
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<div id="ref-lightfoot1891fathers" class="csl-entry">
Lightfoot, J. B., and J. R. Harmer. 1891. <em>The Apostolic Fathers: Comprising the Epistles (Genuine and Spurious) of Clement of Rome, the Epistles of s. Ignatius, the Epistle of s. Polycarp, the Martyrdom of s. Polycarp, the Teaching of the Apostles, the Epistle of Barnabas, the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle to Diognetus, the Fragments of Papias, the Reliques of the Elders Preserved in Iren<span>æ</span>us</em>. Macmillan; Co.
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<div id="ref-anf01" class="csl-entry">
Roberts, Alexander, and James Donaldson, eds. 1885a. <em>The Ante-Nicene Fathers: Translations of the Writings of the Fathers down to <span>A.D.</span> 325</em>. Vol. 1. Christian Literature Publishing Company. <a href="https://archive.org/details/antenicenefathers01robe">https://archive.org/details/antenicenefathers01robe</a>.
</div>
<div id="ref-anf02" class="csl-entry">
Roberts, Alexander, and James Donaldson, eds. 1885b. <em>The Ante-Nicene Fathers: Translations of the Writings of the Fathers down to <span>A.D.</span> 325</em>. Vol. 2. Christian Literature Publishing Company. <a href="https://archive.org/details/antenicenefather0002unse_s3t5">https://archive.org/details/antenicenefather0002unse_s3t5</a>.
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<ol>
<li id="fn1"><p>Translation from the <a href="https://modernliteralversion.org/mlv/MLVBL.pdf">Modern Literal Version — Aug 2026</a>↩︎</p></li>
<li id="fn2"><p>See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad_(Gnosticism)">Wikipedia — Ogdoad (Gnosticism)</a>↩︎</p></li>
<li id="fn3"><p>The Latin <span class="citation" data-cites="harvey1857sancti_irenaei_2">(Harvey 1857, p81)</span> has “Manifesta igitur et Apostolorum et <sup>3</sup>discentium eorum ex verbis ipsorum de Deo facta est sententia.”, where footnote 3 is: “discentium, i.e.&nbsp;μαθηται as at [p 68], meaning S. Luke and S. Mark. So”(Mark and Luke)” are inferred by Harvey and Roberts.↩︎</p></li>
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  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p>Or: ignorance of physiology can lead to misinterpretation of the New Testament.</p>
<p>John’s gospel has the following in the description of the crucifixion (John 19:31-35):<sup>1</sup></p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Therefore, the Jews asked Pilate in-order-that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath since it was the Preparation (for the day of that Sabbath was a great day), that their legs might be fractured and that they might be taken down.</p>
<p>Therefore, the soldiers came, and indeed fractured the legs of the first and of the other one who was crucified together-with him, but after they came upon Jesus, as they saw him the one who had already died, they did not fracture his legs; but one of the soldiers pierced his rib-cage with a spear and immediately blood and water came forth.</p>
<p>And he who has seen, has testified and his testimony is true and he knows that he says true things, in-order-that you might believe.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>But — is this testimony true? I mean, did an eye-witness see blood and water come forth from the rib-cage of the dead Jesus?</p>
<p>One approach is physiological — it is to ask whether it is plausible that something like this would happen if cutting into the chest of a crucified man after death. It appears that the answer to this is Yes — severe flogging followed by crucifixion may lead to the build-up of effusions (fluid) in the linings of the heart and lungs. This in turn will appear as clear water-like fluid when someone cuts into the chest. See Edwards <em>et al</em> 1986 (<em>On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ</em>. Journal of the American Medical Association) for a discussion.<sup>2</sup></p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Therefore, the water probably represented serous pleural and pericardial fluid, and would have preceded the flow of blood and been smaller in volume than the blood. Perhaps in the setting of hypovolemia and impending acute heart failure, pleural and pericardial effusions may have developed and would have added to the volume of apparent water.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So one model of the Gospel text would be that it is a direct or relayed account by an eye-witness who did indeed see blood and something like water, was surprised by it, thought it might be important, and so wrote it down, or told someone else, who wrote it down. And of course that person might also have come to think that this event had some deeper meaning, as the death of Jesus itself had a deeper meaning than the surface description, of another judicial execution. That is, the event happened, and looking back, the event can be seen as having deeper meaning.</p>
<p>Another model is that no-one saw this, and it did not happen, but someone thought we should believe it, in some sense, for the sake of a deeper meaning.</p>
<p>For example, Rudolf Bultmann had a complicated<sup>3</sup> and now largely rejected<sup>4</sup> theory of John’s Gospel where someone (the “ecclesiastical redactor”) assembled and edited and added to material from three different, now-lost written sources to form the current Gospel. The redactor “was anxious to make the Gospel more acceptable to the church by introducing doctrinal references…”<sup>5</sup></p>
<p>Bultmann was confident that the “blood and water” event was a later and symbolic addition by the “ecclesiastical redactor”:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The ecclesiastical redaction has gained yet another and deeper meaning from the lance-thrust, in that it adds in v. 34b, καὶ ἐξῆλθεν εὐθὺς αἷμα καὶ ὕδωρ [and immediately there came out blood and water]. Doubtless a miracle is being recounted here, and equally doubtless this miracle has a definite meaning. It can scarcely be other than that in the death of Jesus on the cross the sacraments of baptism and the Lord’s Supper have their foundation.<sup>6</sup></p>
</blockquote>
<p>It seems to me that part of his argument is that — because the event can be seen to have symbolic meaning — it is likely it was invented.</p>
<p>Of course, we don’t know whether Bultmann would have written differently if he was aware that it was quite plausible that an eye-witness to the soldier’s spear would have seen something like blood and water spill from the wound.</p>




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<ol>
<li id="fn1"><p>New Testament quotations are from the <a href="https://www.modernliteralversion.org">Modern Literal Version</a>, 2026 Beta Update, unless otherwise noted.↩︎</p></li>
<li id="fn2"><p>William D Edwards, Wesley J. Gabel, Floyd E. Hosmer <em>On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ</em>. JAMA. 1986;255(11):1455–1463. doi:10.1001/jama.1986.03370110077025. <a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/403315">JAMA-link</a>↩︎</p></li>
<li id="fn3"><p>Smalley, Stephen S. (1978) <em>John, evangelist and interpreter</em>, Paternoster Press, Exeter <a href="https://archive.org/details/johnevangelistin0000smal/page/101/mode/1up">archive.org link</a> — page 105.↩︎</p></li>
<li id="fn4"><p>For example — from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signs_Gospel">The Signs Gospel, Wikipedia</a>: “After the commentary of Rudolf Bultmann was published in 1941, the hypothesis of a semeia (sign or miracle) source was supported by those who favor Johannine independence from the synoptic Gospels, but scholars today agree that the existence of a single signs source for the miracles in John is highly unlikely.”. See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_criticism">Wikipedia on Form Criticism</a> — a primary technique used by Bultmann.↩︎</p></li>
<li id="fn5"><p>Smalley, Stephen S. (1978) <em>John, evangelist and interpreter</em>, Paternoster Press, Exeter <a href="https://archive.org/details/johnevangelistin0000smal/page/101/mode/1up">archive.org link</a> — page 105.↩︎</p></li>
<li id="fn6"><p>Rudolf Bultmann (1971) <em>The Gospel of John: a commentary</em>, translated by Beasley-Murray, Hoare and Riches <a href="https://archive.org/details/gospelofjohnco00bult/page/n1/mode/1up">archive.org link</a> — pages 677-678↩︎</p></li>
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  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p><em>Kratopistia</em> is a Greek term I have just invented, for the irrational belief in the effectiveness of force to solve problems.</p>
<p>It’s the one-word rephrasing of what people mean when they use terms like “bringing them to heel”, or “it’s the only language these people understand” or “we should bring them to their knees”.</p>
<p>It’s the magical thinking that led Germany to waste its war effort on bombing London, and the Allies to waste their war effort in bombing civilians in Germany, and the US to waste their war effort in bombing Vietnam.</p>
<p>Kratopistia derives from two Greek words:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://lsj.gr/wiki/κράτος">kratos</a> : strength, power, power over (something or someone).</li>
<li><a href="https://lsj.gr/wiki/πίστις">pistis</a> : trust, faith, confidence, assurance, credence.</li>
</ul>
<p>Thus kratopistia is (over-)confidence in (the use of) power.</p>
<p>Tolstoy refers to this idea in his posthumous (1919) book: <a href="https://www.yogebooks.com/english/tolstoy/1919pathway.pdf">The Pathway of Life</a>. The book is a compilation of thoughts and meditations. It has a section devoted to “Force”. One sub-section is “The Inefficiency of Force”:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>There are only two ways of directing human activities: one is to gain the inclination and to convince the reasoning, and the other to compel a man to act against his inclinations and against his reasoning. The first method is proved by experience and is always crowned by success, and the other is employed by ignorance and always results in disappointment.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Another sub-section is “Ruinous Effects of the Superstition of Force”.</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>[1] That evil which men think to ward off with force is incomparably less than the harm they do to themselves when defending themselves by force.</p>
<p>…</p>
<p>[7]. If it were asked how man could strip himself entirely of moral responsibility and commit the most evil deeds without a feeling of guilt, a more effective means could not be devised than the superstition that force can promote the well-being of people.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Otto Kohn deals with a related idea in his 1937 book <a href="https://archive.org/details/forceorreason0000unse">Force or Reason: Issues of the Twentieth Century</a>. The second chapter is “The Cult of Force”. For Kohn, the cult of force is not at heart a foolish error of judgment — the meaning I intend for <em>kratopistia</em> — but a dark cultural movement, a thirst for war and conquest. In the chapter: “The Cult of Force”:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… : the Cult of Force, the Dethronement of Reason, and the Crisis of Imperialism seem today to determine the political, intellectual and social life, at least in large parts of Europe and the Old World.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>As a charming side-note, he follows this sentence directly with:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>They have threatened least, perhaps, to become a dominant issue in the United States, and this circumstance seems to me to give a unique importance to the United States at the present time.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Later in the same chapter:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… Force has come to be seen as the great master-builder. Patience and compromise are laughed at. People do not try to convince their adversaries, to solve patiently difficult problems. They “liquidate” their enemies.</p>
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<p>The sides were unequal in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfight_at_the_O.K._Corral">gunfight at OK Corral</a>.</p>
<p>One side was the three Earp brothers (Virgil, Wyatt and Morgan), with Doc Holliday. The Earps all had pistols. Doc Holliday had a shotgun and a pistol.</p>
<p>The other was a selection of Cochise County Cowboys: Ike and Billy Clanton, Frank and Tom McLaury, and Billy Claiborne. But — Ike Clanton and Billy Claiborne were unarmed, and, understandably - fled. It’s not clear whether <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfight_at_the_O.K._Corral#Weapons_carried_by_the_Cowboys">Tom McLaury was armed</a> or not.</p>
<p><a href="http://tombstonehistoryarchives.com/the-streetfight-what-we-know-and-why-we-know-it.html">An early shot hit Billy Clanton through his right wrist</a>, so he was shooting left-handed for the rest of the fight.</p>
<p>So, at the start we have four armed people on one side, against either two or three armed people on the other, and where one of the two who were certainly armed was quickly disabled and shooting left-handed.</p>



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  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p>I have just finished reading Musa Al-Gharbi’s book <a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691232607/we-have-never-been-woke">We Have Never Been Woke</a>.</p>
<p>To quote the summary on that page:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>How a new “woke” elite uses the language of social justice to gain more power and status …</p>
</blockquote>
<p>He argues that “woke” language is used both defensively and offensively in jostling for position between what he calls “symbolic capitalists” — but let’s use <em>elites</em> as a shorthand.</p>
<p>Is that fair? Let’s consider a particular case.</p>
<p>There is an annual creative writing challenge called the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Novel_Writing_Month">National Novel Writing Month</a>, usually shortened to NaNoWriMo. Quoting from that article:</p>
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<p>[NaNoWriMo] is an annual creative writing challenge that takes place in November of each year. Participants are tasked with writing a 50,000-word novel draft by the end of the month</p>
</blockquote>
<p>It <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250201002357/https://nanowrimo.org">used to have an associated non-profit organization</a>, also called NaNoWriMo, but it closed down in mid-2025, amid <a href="nanoscandal.com">significant scandal</a>, and <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/02/creative-writing-nanowrimo-to-close-after-20-years">“ongoing financial problems”</a>. By “scandal”, I mean (quoting the Guardian article) allegations of child grooming and “other complaints related to child safety”.</p>
<p>Obviously, one problem with the challenge in general, is that writing a novel at that speed becomes trivial if you ask AI to do it for you.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, as the various scandals developed, the <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240903181255/https://nanowrimo.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/29933455931412-What-is-NaNoWriMo-s-position-on-Artificial-Intelligence-AI">organization posted</a> to say that:</p>
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<p>NaNoWriMo does not explicitly support any specific approach to writing, nor does it explicitly condemn any approach, including the use of AI. …</p>
<p>We believe that to categorically condemn AI would be to ignore classist and ableist issues surrounding the use of the technology, and that questions around the use of AI tie to questions around privilege.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>It continues in the same vein.</p>
<p>Among the many responses, BlueSky user “ceej” <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:mm5ebihpjvtrdunomulbls5m/post/3l36esofgg623">posted</a>:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>thanks to ai I just finished my nanowrimo novel a few months early. I’m excited to read it</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I don’t think there can be any argument that the post on AI is at the far risible end of “woke” in al-Gharbi’s terms.</p>
<p>It is tempting to infer that using that language, to defend technology that would make it absurdly easy to submit a novel in the given time, is classic woke-washing, where the intent is to distract from a) the very strong reaction to AI among writers, and b) the scandals that the organization was trying to deal with.</p>



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  <title>It’s quite obvious that Lucy Letby is innocent</title>
  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Letby">Lucy Letby</a> is a nurse who worked in the neonatal intensive care unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital. She was accused, tried and convicted of murdering seven infants, and attempting to murder seven others.</p>
<p>I encourage you to look into these cases, as they are, quite clearly, absurd. Quite clearly, the correct explanation of these deaths and injuries is a combination of the known fact that sick babies can die, with chronic incompetence, arrogance and understaffing in the relevant intensive care unit. Unfortunately this was compounded by biased and incompetent expert advice to the investigation and court.</p>
<p><a href="https://lucyletbyinnocence.com/shoo-lee/International%20Expert%20Panel%20-%20Summary%20Report.pdf">A panel of international experts</a>, with much more convincing qualifications than those of the expert witnesses at trial, concluded that:</p>
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<ol type="1">
<li>There was no medical evidence to support malfeasance causing death or injury in any of the 17 cases in the trial.</li>
<li>Death or injury of affected infants were due to natural causes or errors in medical care.</li>
<li>There were problems related to the medical care of patients at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit.</li>
<li>There were problems related to teamwork and inter-disciplinary collaboration at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit.</li>
</ol>
</blockquote>
<p>To give you a flavor of the absurdity, consider the case of baby K. A jury convicted Letby of attempted murder, of which more below. The judge said, in his <a href="https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/it-another-shocking-act-calculated-29484399.amp">sentencing</a>:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>… only you know the reason or reasons for your murderous campaign. … It was another shocking act of calculated, callous cruelty.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Now let us look at the evidence, reviewed by the <a href="https://lucyletbyinnocence.com/shoo-lee/International%20Expert%20Panel%20-%20Summary%20Report.pdf">international panel of experts</a>. They identify baby K as “baby 11”. I’ll summarize, and then quote their conclusions in full.</p>
<p>In summary: baby K needed an endotracheal (breathing) tube. It was placed incompetently by the unit doctors, and the tube was too small. The doctors noticed that air wasn’t getting into the baby’s lungs as it should, but failed to understand that this was because they had put in a tube that was too small. Instead they concluded that Letby had displaced the tube, for which there was no evidence.</p>
<p>Here are the full conclusions of the international panel:</p>
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<h2 id="conviction" class="anchored">CONVICTION</h2>
<p>The consultant alleged that Baby 11’s first episode of clinical deterioration was caused by deliberate dislodgment of her endotracheal tube, since bagging failed to move the chest and carbon dioxide was not detected by capnography. He alleged that the incubator alarms were deliberately turned off to prevent prompt rescue response because he did not hear the alarms when he entered the room.</p>
<h2 id="panel-opinion" class="anchored">PANEL OPINION</h2>
<p>Baby 11 required a size 2.5 ETT [EndoTracheal Tube]. Instead, she was traumatically intubated with a size 2 ETT, with a resulting 94% air leak. As a result, ventilation was ineffective because 94% of the air was leaking out and only 6% was entering the lung. Effective gas exchange could not occur and mechanical ventilation could not generate sufficient pressure to keep the small air spaces in the lung open. This led to gradual collapse of the small air spaces in the lung and deteriorating gas exchange. When the tipping point was reached, the infant decompensated, desaturated and collapsed. Bagging to reopen the collapsed small air spaces in the lung requires relatively high pressures. With a 94% air leak, bagging with the Neopuff, which has a safety feature to limit air pressures, did not generate sufficient pressure to move the chest. Capnography did not work because the device measures build-up of carbon dioxide in the endotracheal tube during expiration, but with 94% air leak, the carbon dioxide could not build-up sufficiently to trigger measurement. There is no evidence to support dislodgement of the endotracheal tube. The consultant stated that he did not hear the alarms, but a nurse (not LL) stated that “When I returned to the unit, I immediately became aware of the alarms sounding from Baby 11’s incubator.”</p>
<h2 id="conclusions" class="anchored">CONCLUSIONS</h2>
<ol type="1">
<li>There is no evidence to support a dislodged endotracheal tube.</li>
<li>The clinical deterioration was caused by use of an undersized endotracheal tube.</li>
<li>The initial intubation was traumatic and poorly supervised.</li>
<li>The consultant did not understand the basics of resuscitation, air leak, mechanical ventilation, and how equipment that were commonly used in the unit work, e.g.&nbsp;Neopuff and capnograph.</li>
<li>There is evidence that the incubator alarms were not turned off.</li>
</ol>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2026 07:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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  <title>They hate us for our freedom</title>
  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p>I found myself watching the first episode of the original (1978) Battlestar Galactica. Early on, the naïve peace-loving humans are sailing into a trap set by the dastardly Cylons. The humans are expecting to sign an armistice, while the Cylons plan to use the distraction of the ceremony to destroy the human fleet and colonies.</p>
<p>Commander Adama is speaking to President Adar, who leads the delegation to sign the armistice:</p>
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<p>ADAR: Oh, surely you don’t cling to your suspicions about the Cylons? They asked for this armistice. They want peace.</p>
<p>ADAMA: Forgive me, Mr.&nbsp;President, but they hate us with every fiber of their existence. We love freedom, we love independence, to feel, to question, to resist oppression, but — to them, it’s an alien way of existing they will never accept.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>From <a href="https://www.byyourcommand.net/transcripts/BYC-Transcript-01.html">the episode 1 transcript</a>.</p>
<p>I realized that I hadn’t heard this “they hate us for our freedom” phrasing since the second Iraq war. It sounded hollow and self-serving at the time, but it’s striking how poorly it has aged.</p>



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  <title>Eusebeia</title>
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<p>These are some notes on the Greek word <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebeia">εὐσέβεια</a> (eusebeia), and its roots εὐ- (eu-) and <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/σέβομαι">σέβομαι</a> (sebomai).</p>
<p>See <a href="https://archive.org/details/newtestamentword0000barc_u7p2/page/106/mode/2up?q=eusebeia">William Barclay’s “New Testament Words”</a> for a comprehensive summary of history and references in classical Greek, and in the New Testament.</p>
<section id="origin-and-history-chantaines-etymological-dictionary" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="origin-and-history-chantaines-etymological-dictionary">Origin and history: Chantaine’s Etymological Dictionary</h2>
<p>In entry for sebomai and variants:</p>
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<p>La diversité remarquable des emplois se réduit à la signification unique «se retirer», ou «faire se retirer» confirmée par l’étymologie, cf.&nbsp;[Sanskrit]. <em>tydjáti</em> «quitter, abandonner» de <em>*tyeg<sup>ω</sup>-</em>, avec <em>tydjas-</em>, <em>tyaktdr-</em>, <em>tyaktá-</em> que l’on n’a pas le droit pourtant de rapprocher de σέβας, σέπτωρ, σεπτός (formations parallèles). Doutes injustifiés de Mayrhofer, <em>Elym. Wb. des Allind.</em> 1,529. Voir encore Pokorny 1086.</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>The remarkable diversity of uses reduces to the single meaning “withdraw” or “to cause to withdraw”, confirmed by the etymology, cf.&nbsp;[Sanskit] <em>tydjáti</em> “leave, abandon” of <em>*tyeg<sup>ω</sup>-</em>, with <em>tydjas-</em>, <em>tyaktdr-</em>, <em>tyaktá-</em> which, however, should not be linked with σέβας, σέπτωρ, σεπτός (parallel forms). Unjustified doubts of Mayrhofer, <em>Elym. Wb. des Allind.</em> 1,529. Also see Pokorny 1086 — (translation by me, DeepL).</p>
</blockquote>
<p>In: Pierre Chantraine (1968) <em>Dictionnaire étymologique de la langue grecque: histoire des mots</em>, Klincksieck, Paris, p 993. <a href="https://archive.org/details/Dictionnaire-Etymologique-Grec/page/993/mode/1up">Archive.org</a></p>
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<section id="beekes-etymological-dictionary-of-greek" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="beekes-etymological-dictionary-of-greek">Beekes, Etymological Dictionary of Greek</h2>
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<p>σέβομαι [v.] ‘to shy, feel ashamed’ (Δ 242), post-Hom. ‘to be in awe, honor, worship’, especially with regard to the gods. [origin is] Indo-European *tieg’- ‘leave alone, give up’.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>In Robert Beekes (2010) <em>Etymological Dictionary of Greek</em>, Brill, Leiden, p 1315. <a href="https://archive.org/details/etymological-dictionary-of-greek_202306/page/1314/mode/1up">Archive org</a></p>
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<section id="use-of-sebomai-in-the-iliad" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="use-of-sebomai-in-the-iliad">Use of sebomai in the Iliad</h2>
<p>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliad">Iliad may have been written around 522 BC</a>, and so reflects early (<a href="https://ancient-greece.org/history/history-of-greece-archaic/">archaic</a>) Greek usage.</p>
<p>In the Iliad, the author uses sebomai with the meaning of shame:</p>
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<p>’Αργεῖοι ἰόµωροι, ἐλεγχέες, οὔ νυ σέβεσθε; (Argives, arrow-fighters, do you have no shame, you worthless men? Il. 4.242) — <a href="https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/thesescanada/vol2/002/MR82532.PDF">source</a>, also <a href="https://www.theoi.com/Text/HomerIliad4.html">Homer, Iliad, 4</a>.</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
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<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="platos-definitions">Plato’s Definitions</h2>
<p>From <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_(Plato)">around 300 BC</a>:</p>
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<p>εὐσέβεια (eusebeia), piety: justice concerning the gods; the ability to serve the gods voluntarily; the correct conception of the honor due to gods; knowledge of the honor due to gods.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>In Douglas S. Hutchinson (translator). Definitions*. In John M. Cooper (ed.): <a href="https://archive.org/details/complete-works-plato-john-m.-cooper-ed./page/1680/mode/1up?q=eusebeia">Plato. Complete Works</a>, Hackett Publishing, Indianapolis/Cambridge 1997, ISBN 978-0872203495, pp. 1677–1686).</p>
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<section id="plato-and-eusebia-to-gods-and-to-parents" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="plato-and-eusebia-to-gods-and-to-parents">Plato and eusebia “to gods and to parents”</h2>
<p>Eusebia can also apply to persons deserving of reverence.</p>
<p><a href="https://archive.org/details/platosrepublicgr01plat/page/456/mode/1up?q=εὐσεβείας">Plato’s Republic 615c</a> (around 375 BC):</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>εἰς δὲ θεοὺς ἀσεβείας καὶ εὐσεβείας καὶ τε γονέας καὶ αὐτόχειρας φόνου μείζους ἔτι τοὺς μισθοὺς διηγεῖτο.</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1497">Plato’s Republic, translation by Benjamin Jowett</a>:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Of piety and impiety to gods and parents, and of murderers, there were retributions other and greater far which he described.</p>
</blockquote>
</section>
<section id="nero-and-eusebia-as-due-reverence-to-a-person" class="level2">
<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="nero-and-eusebia-as-due-reverence-to-a-person">Nero and eusebia as due-reverence to a person</h2>
<p>A <a href="https://heurist.huma-num.fr/judaism_and_rome/tpl/public-record/175">67 AD inscription</a> containing a proclamation by Nero:</p>
<blockquote class="blockquote">
<p>Since I wish to reward most noble Greece for its good will and piety [eusebeia] towards me, I order that as many as possible from this province attend at Corinth on November 29th.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This usage is roughly contemporary with the writing of e.g.&nbsp;1 Timothy.</p>
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<h2 class="anchored" data-anchor-id="other-links">Other links</h2>
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<li><a href="https://lsj.gr/wiki/σέβομαι">Liddell, Scott, Jones lexicon for sebomai</a>.</li>
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<p>There is an important translation error in many English versions of the New Testament. Consider, for example, <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20timothy%204&amp;version=NIV">1 Timothy 4 verses 7 and 8, in the New International Version</a></p>
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<p>Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The translation error is for the words “godly” and “godliness”. It’s a serious translation error because it conveys a meaning almost opposite to the one intended in the original Greek.</p>
<p>You can see the Greek with transliteration and translation in the <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_timothy/4.htm">Interlinear version of 1 Timothy 4</a>.</p>
<p>You will see there, that “godliness” (above) is the translation for the Greek word εὐσέβεια (transliterated as <em>eusebeia</em>).</p>
<p>The plain English meaning of “godly” is being (more) like God.<sup>1</sup> The plain meaning of “godliness” is the property of being (more) like God.</p>
<p>However, this is not at all what <em>eusebeia</em> means.</p>
<p>As usual, you can follow the links from the word “eusebeia” in the Interlinear version above, to get the standard <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/2150.htm">Strong’s concordance entry for <em>eusebeia</em></a>. This gives the meaning, directly but rather literally, as “well-reverence”.</p>
<p>“Eusebeia” consists of the common Greek stem <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/2095.htm">eu-</a>, meaning good, well done, balanced — suffixed with a version of the word <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/4576.htm">sebomai</a>, meaning to “personally esteem; to hold something (someone) in high respect; showing the reverence or awe (veneration) of someone who is devout.” Hence “well-reverence”.</p>
<p>William Barclay has a 10-page exposition on <em>eusebeia</em> in his book <a href="https://archive.org/details/newtestamentword0000barc_u7p2/page/106/mode/2up?q=eusebeia">New Testament Words</a>. He states that “The Greeks used <em>eusebeia</em> to translate the equally noble Latin word <em>pietas</em>. <em>Pietas</em> was <em>the spirit of devotion to goodness, to honour, to goodness and to duty</em>.” (Pietas has reached us in English as the word <em>piety</em>.) For example, Barclay notes that the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate">Vulgate</a>, a 4th century Latin translation of the Bible, uses “pietas” to translate <em>eusebeia</em>. You can see this in the <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%204&amp;version=VULGATE">Vulgate version of the quote from Timothy above</a>.</p>
<p>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint">Septuagint</a> is a 3rd and 2nd century BC Greek translation of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible">Hebrew Bible</a> (and therefore, more or less, the Christian Old Testament). The Septuagint offers some understanding of how the translators understood Greek words at the time. Barclay again: “In Is[iah] 11.2 <em>eusebeia</em> is used for <em>the fear of the Lord</em>, which is one of the gifts of the spirit; and in Prov[erbs] 1.7 it is used for that <em>fear of the Lord</em> that is the beginning of wisdom.”</p>
<p>See <a href="../eusebeia/">detailed notes on eusebeia</a> for more on etymology in classical Greek.</p>
<p>Thus, <em>eusebeia</em> is not “godliness” — being <em>like</em> God — but <em>reverence for</em> God.</p>
<p>Some English translations don’t use godliness for <em>eusebeia</em>. The <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%204%3A8&amp;version=DARBY">Darby translation of the passage above</a> translates <em>eusebeia</em> as “piety” and <a href="https://archive.org/details/newtestamentnewt01moff/page/263/mode/1up">Moffatt’s translation</a> uses “religion”. <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%204%3A8&amp;version=SG21">All the French translations I could find on Biblegateway</a> use <em>piété</em>. Spanish translations on Biblehub tend to use <em>piedad</em>, but <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%204%3A8&amp;version=NTV">Nueva Traducción Viviente</a> has “la sumisión a Dios” (submission to God). My wife’s Bible is the <a href="https://www.jw.org/es/biblioteca/biblia/bi12/libros/1-timoteo/4/">1987 edition</a> of <a href="https://www.jw.org/es/biblioteca/biblia/">La Traducción del Nuevo Mundo</a>; it has “devoción piadosa” (pious devotion) with a note in the online edition offering “temor a Jehová” (fear of the Lord). The current study edition of the same translation has <a href="https://www.jw.org/es/biblioteca/biblia/biblia-estudio/libros/1-timoteo/4/">“la devoción a Dios”</a> (devotion to God).</p>
<p>So where did “godliness” come from, as a translation of <em>eusebeia</em> into English? The answer seems to be Martin Luther, modified by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyndale_Bible">William Tyndale</a>. Luther translated <em>eusebeia</em> as <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%204%3A8&amp;version=LUTH1545">Gottseligkeit</a>. This is made up of Gott- (God), <a href="https://www.dwds.de/wb/-selig">-selig</a>- (rich in, full of, devoted to) and -keit (-ness), and therefore means the property of being full of God.<sup>2</sup> Luther <a href="https://woerterbuchnetz.de/?sigle=DWB&amp;lemid=G24016">appears to have coined this word himself</a>. However, Tyndale seems to have adopted Luther’s translation, but simplified it in English, in my view disastrously, as “godliness”, and this reading flowed into the King James Version and thence to many other translations.</p>
<p>Why does it matter? Because if you are not careful, you would think that 1 Timothy 4 (and other uses of <em>eusebeia</em>) are encouraging us to be more like God. With that wrong translation in mind, you might describe someone as “godly”, and mean that you perceive their behavior as particularly righteous. But that is not what <em>eusebeia</em> is encouraging us to; it is asking us to seek more reverence towards God. It is encouraging us to humility, and not to pride.</p>




<div id="quarto-appendix" class="default"><section id="footnotes" class="footnotes footnotes-end-of-document"><h2 class="anchored quarto-appendix-heading">Footnotes</h2>

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<li id="fn1"><p>By <em>plain English meaning</em> of “godly” I mean the meaning deriving from the word parts “god-” and “-ly”. The “-ly” suffix means “like in appearance, manner or nature : having the characteristics of” (<a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/-ly">-ly suffix, Merriam-Webster</a>). Thus “godly” straightforwardly — at a language level — suggests “god-like”. Hence, for example, the <a href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/godly">Etymonline definition</a>: “resembling God”. However the word “godly” has had much encrustation of later meaning, likely arising from its use in standard English Bible translations. Of course, one could argue that, even if “godly” was a bad translation of <em>eusebeia</em> at the time it was first used, it is a better one now, as godly has evolved in meaning. The only point I am making here is the word “godly” carries with it a strong linguistic temptation to the interpretation “god-like”, and that this is a dangerous trap for those who use it without care. And that that trap can be avoided by more careful translation, avoiding the words “godly” and “godliness” in favor of alternatives that express the Greek meaning in a less ambiguous way.↩︎</p></li>
<li id="fn2"><p>For example, compare <a href="https://en.langenscheidt.com/german-english/muehselig#mühselig">mühselig</a> — meaning “arduous”, from <a href="https://en.langenscheidt.com/german-english/muehe">mühe</a>, meaning “trouble, pains, effort” and -selig (full of, rich in).↩︎</p></li>
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  <title>Attachment to AI</title>
  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
  <link>https://asterisk.dynevor.org/posts/attachment-to-ai/</link>
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<p>I use the Vim text editor. I have used it for many years, my fingers know where to go and what to type, to do what I want to do.</p>
<p>If you told me I wasn’t allowed to use Vim for a particular task, but had to use something else, I would be frustrated. I would probably avoid the task you set me, to avoid that frustration.</p>
<p>This is not just practical. I would probably be OK using another editor, after a short while. It is partly emotional; I wouldn’t feel right, using something else.</p>
<p>There’s an entertaining joke in “Silicon Valley”, where the main character, Richard Hendricks, gets into an argument with his girlfriend about whether it is better to use tabs or spaces to indent code in text files. He gets angry about it, and they split up. Hendricks has an emotional attachment to tabs. Of course one could (they do) argue about whether tabs or spaces are better, but he is past the point of argument, he is committed. He can’t help but lose his balance at the idea of losing his preference.</p>
<p>I must admit, I don’t like using AI to generate code. When I do, I start to feel something that the Harvard Business Review calls <a href="https://hbr.org/2026/03/when-using-ai-leads-to-brain-fry">brain-fry</a>. As others have described, and data shows, I can feel myself starting to skip read the generated code, and I feel my intellect starting to sag. I get the same uncomfortable feeling reading other people’s code, generated by AI. I realize I will have to apply great discipline in analyzing the code, but because I know it was not written by a fellow human, with whom I am collaborating, my motivation sinks. My feeling is one of disappointment; that I was looking for something I cared about, but I did not find it.</p>
<p>I read a quote, that I cannot now find, that I believe was from Lee Se-dol, the Go champion, on playing Deepmind. He said something on these lines: “I kept asking myself, what is the AI thinking, but of course it isn’t thinking anything at all”. When I read this, it seemed to me a great and bitter insight.</p>
<p>Up until now, when I am working on code, my happiness in it, is that of a teacher and a problem solver, working to make the problem clear, and solve it for the pleasure and benefit of my peers. My enjoyment comes from the process of thinking and writing, more than the capability of what I have written. My code is a message to those who read it, like a tutorial, to say “Look, I worked this out, I see it clearly now, is this not a fine thing that I brought into existence”.</p>
<p>Sometimes, I suppose, one must prefer capability, to process — and choose the efficient mind that does not think, to inefficient minds that do.</p>
<p>But I cannot work without pleasure in my work. I have an emotional attachment to writing code.</p>



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  <pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2026 09:10:00 GMT</pubDate>
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  <title>Barbarism</title>
  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p>Quoting from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_on_Colonialism">Aimé Césaire’s “Discourse on Colonialism” (1950)</a> (<a href="https://files.libcom.org/files/zz_aime_cesaire_robin_d.g._kelley_discourse_on_colbook4me.org_.pdf">as translated by Joan Pinkham</a>):</p>
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<p>The hour of the barbarian is at hand. The modern barbarian. The American hour. Violence, excess, waste, mercantilism, bluff, conformism, stupidity, vulgarity, disorder.</p>
<p>In 1913, Ambassador Page wrote to Wilson:</p>
<p>“The future of the world belongs to us …. Now what are we going to do with the leadership of the world presently when it clearly falls into our hands?”</p>
<p>And in 1914: “What are we going to do with this England and this Empire, presently, when economic forces unmistakably put the leadership of the race in our hands?”</p>
<p>This Empire … And the others …</p>
<p>And indeed, do you not see how ostentatiously these gentlemen have just unfurled the banner of anti-colonialism?</p>
<p>“Aid to the disinherited countries,” says Truman. “The time of the old colonialism has passed.” That’s also Truman.</p>
<p>Which means that American high finance considers that the time has come to raid every colony in the world. So, dear friends, here you have to be careful!</p>
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  <pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2026 07:25:00 GMT</pubDate>
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  <title>Pile it on</title>
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<p>From <a href="https://archive.org/details/henryjkaiserwest00hein">Henry J. Kaiser: Western Colossus</a> by Albert P. Heiner (1991), pp 283-4.</p>
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<p>Behind this informal way of operating was a tried and true principle from construction days: choose good men, give them the ball, and let them run with it. By delegating to his men almost complete responsibility, Kaiser motivated them consistently to outperform themselves. As Kaiser himself explained “You find your key men by piling work on them. They say ‘I can’t do any more,’ and you say ‘Sure you can.’ So you pile it on, and then they’re doing more and more. Pretty soon you have men you can rely on absolutely. You have an organization that really can get things done.”</p>
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  <title>NHS snapshot</title>
  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p>I suppose the United Kingdom will not collapse completely in my lifetime, but it’s hard to imagine it can keep going much longer.</p>
<p>Consider the following snapshot of interaction with the National Health Service (NHS).</p>
<p>For background, my wife and I live in Birmingham, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham">second largest city in the UK</a>, with a population of around 1.2 million people.</p>
<p>Last Saturday, my wife woke up with very severe back pain, so that she couldn’t walk without holding on to something.</p>
<p>Our General Practice (GP) surgery is closed during the weekend, as seems almost universal in the NHS, apparently as a result of the <a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/1862/regulation/3/made">“core hours” part of the NHS contract with GPs</a>.</p>
<p>We therefore had to phone the national 111 helpline.</p>
<p>This was a series of “press one for …” options, that ended up with a five minute conversation with an operator, who said that someone would call back within two hours.</p>
<p>After around two and a half hours, a specialist nurse called up, talked to my wife, and agreed she needed to be seen urgently.</p>
<p>Here’s where the frustration ramped up quickly.</p>
<p>The specialist nurse gave us a numeric code and a phone number. She told us to call the phone number and give the code, and they would give us an appointment.<sup>1</sup></p>
<p>At once, at about 3.30pm, we called the number the nurse had given us, and the person answering said in fact we had to go to a website — <a href="http://badgeruts.uk" class="uri">http://badgeruts.uk</a> — log in, and then book ourselves an appointment with the given code. He explained that there were three places we could book an appointment in Birmingham. One of these releases appointments at 6pm, and the other two release appointments at 4pm. He warned us to be quick because the appointments go fast.</p>
<p>So we went to the website, which, entertainingly enough, redirected us to a site called <a href="https://www.drivethrucare.uk/uts.php">Drive Thru Care</a>.</p>
<p>Have a look at that site. It’s a really clunky old interface. Luckily my wife had logged in before, so we went straight to the Log In phase, and this took us to the booking phase, where things got nasty.</p>
<p>Sure enough, this phase offers us the options of the three sites above offering appointments. Sure enough, on choosing one, we got a year 2000 vintage web interface, where we click on a box to confirm the patient is not bleeding to death or suffering a heart attack, enter the date of symptom onset, and type a summary of the problem. Below, sure enough, is a series of 24 or so appointment boxes for Saturday, either labeled “Booked” or “N/A” — nothing we can select.</p>
<p>We know from the helpful phone call that some appointments will be released at or around 4pm in two sites.</p>
<p>Does this website auto-refresh when the appointments become available? Looking at the low quality of the site, we have to guess no. So we refresh the page, at which point the page clears all our previous information, so we have to fill the checkbox, date and summary again. And refresh, and again. And again. And again. We can copy / paste the summary, but still, it takes a few seconds to refill each time.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, for reasons inaccessible to us, more appointments become “Booked”. Presumably wondering how someone got these appointments without going through the same process is part of the entertainment. I noticed that the total number of slots decreased by one — again, for reasons unknown. We begin to wonder whether there will be any bookable appointments left when we get to 4pm. We wait, refresh / retype / paste, refresh / retype / paste, every few seconds.</p>
<p>At last, a little past 4pm, a series of slots appear, and immediately about half of them appear to be “Booked”. We very quickly select one of the six or so remaining, retype / paste, click “Book”. Error, the slot is no longer available. Refresh. One slot left. Select, retype / paste, “Book”. We get the last slot.<sup>2</sup></p>
<p>I guess there was about 40 seconds between the slots appearing and all of them being booked. We got a slot only because we are very good at using computers — we know to refresh, copy / paste the long stuff, and do it very quickly, with keyboard shortcuts, on good WiFi.</p>
<p>Aren’t we the wrong people to prefer for urgent care slots? I mean, yes, we needed a slot, but why do we get it for being in the top few centiles for fluidity and speed in using web interfaces?</p>
<p>Given how fast the slots went, I assume that a large majority of people who should have got slots, did not get slots. Before we succeeded in getting the last slot, we had spent maybe 20 minutes on the phone, 2.5 hours waiting for a phone call, and about 20 minutes on the website. A specialist nurse had agreed we needed an appointment. Given our experience, I’d have to guess that a small proportion of people in that situation got a slot — maybe 15%, maybe less. So now you have 85% of your patients, and particularly those patients who not very skilled with clunky web interfaces, who need to be seen, have spent maybe 40 minutes working on getting an appointment, and waited more than three hours since contacting the health services, and they get — nothing.</p>
<p>What should have happened?</p>
<p>By looking at the web interface while we were waiting, I estimate that there were around 100 Saturday evening slots available across the three urgent treatment centres. Bear in mind that these three centres cover the UK’s second largest city, with a population of 1.2 million.</p>
<p>It seems most unlikely that 100 slots were enough for the demand.</p>
<p>OK, say that the NHS just doesn’t have enough money or staff to provide more than 100 evening appointments. How should these slots be distributed?</p>
<p>Not, I think, by making your sick and needy patients run an obstacle course of outdated web technology, and giving the slots to the winners.</p>
<p>And in fact, how hard would it be to allocate the slots by answering the phone?</p>
<p>Remember that we already had to phone somebody, to tell us to use the website, and to give us the miserable but useful advice on how to play the system to get an appointment.</p>
<p>Let’s take my guess of 85% pre-screened people not getting appointments, and 100 appointments. That’s about 670 people who need appointments, of whom only 15% are going to get one. Let’s pay 10 doctors to answer the phone on Saturday afternoon. They each take about 70 calls, and then negotiate to allocate the 100 appointments. Give them an average of five minutes to talk to each (already pre-screened) patient, giving them each around six hours of work, and allow time for negotiation, and between calls, for an eight hour shift. Let’s say the average GP gets paid <a href="https://www.gpworld.co.uk/news/a-guide-to-gp-salary-and-pay-in-the-uk-2024/16/">£87K per year</a>; this would give an <a href="https://timetastic.co.uk/blog/how-many-working-hours-are-in-a-year/">hourly rate</a> of about £50. So the cost of this service would be about £4000 per weekend day. For the UK’s second largest city.</p>
<p>And at least, that way a) the patients get a better assessment and triage service, and b) the selection of who gets an appointment would be based at least plausibly on clinical need, rather than skill and speed in using poor web interfaces.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the advantage of the current system is there is no person to whom one can direct one’s anger — one can only marvel at the extraordinary but terribly familiar incompetence of NHS IT provisioning, and tell one’s friends. Put simply, our leaders appear not to be much worried if we fall into existential rage as long as that rage is impotent.</p>




<div id="quarto-appendix" class="default"><section id="footnotes" class="footnotes footnotes-end-of-document"><h2 class="anchored quarto-appendix-heading">Footnotes</h2>

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<li id="fn1"><p>To recall the context — my wife found it difficult to walk and was in severe pain. Now we would have to get downstairs, get into a car, drive for 30 minutes, wait in a waiting room, walk to a treatment room, be seen, walk out, drive back. This was going to be (and in due course was) very unpleasant. The obvious thing to do is to offer a home visit. These do not appear to be possible with the current NHS system. Anyway, back to process that exists.↩︎</p></li>
<li id="fn2"><p>To complete the story, we drove for 30 minutes or so to the urgent treatment centre (UTC) in Solihull Hospital for our allotted appointment time. We were seen after about 20 minutes, and the appointment was — OK. At which point my wife is still in a lot of pain, and I leave her at the treatment centre entrance to get the car. When I try to get out of the hospital car park, the Pay Station to which I am directed is comprehensively closed, the phone number given there is the main hospital number (press one for …), and neither I nor another two drivers can get through the barrier without a paid ticket. By discussion and exploration, we find two machines where we can pay our tickets, but the machines won’t read mine, and are cash-only for those it can read. Jogging around the building and asking, it turns out we have to go the hospital main entrance, and ask security. Who take my payment, and send me back to the car park to buzz me through. It appears the hospital does not expect its patients getting after hours treatment to park in their patients’ car park.↩︎</p></li>
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  <title>Lose total control</title>
  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p>In a CNN interview in September 2024, Hillary Clinton said that, without moderation and monitoring of social media content, we would “lose total control”.</p>
<p>I thought to go back to the original interview, to see what she meant. As one might predict, the quote is not quite as it seems. I think it’s reasonable to infer that Clinton does believe that the political climate would be improved by more content moderation, and she is looking forward to a time, after the Democrats win the forthcoming election, that “the fever will be broken”, but the specific quote refers to removing content that is harmful for children.</p>
<p>The transcript below is unedited and verbatim from around 5 minutes into <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2ZbZmy4Z4">the interview by Michael Smerconish with Hillary Clinton</a>, dated September 28, 2024. Clinton is promoting her just-published book “Something Lost, Something Gained”.</p>
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<p>Smerconish: … You cite Jonathan Haidt, you cite Jean Twenge. Here’s what disappoints me — and it’s not about you, Madam Secretary — I’m shocked that no person — no Republican, no Democrat — is championing this issue. The social science is so clear, the political science is so clear — our fabric has frayed as a nation, our kids are disconnected; too much time behind closed doors on devices and not enough time replicating the experience of their parents and grandparents. So what do we do about it? What do we do about it for your grandkids?</p>
<p>Clinton: Well Michael, there are people who are championing it, but it’s been a long and difficult road to get anything done. Actually we can look at the state of California, the state of New York — I think some other states have also taken action — but we need national action. And sadly our Congress has been dysfunctional when it comes to addressing these threats to our children. So you’re absolutely right — this should be at the top of every legislative political agenda. There should be a lot of things done. We should be — in my view — repealing something called section 230, which gave platforms on the internet immunity because they were thought to be just pass-throughs, that they shouldn’t be judged for the content that is posted — but we now know that that was an overly simple view — that if the platforms, whether it’s Facebook or Twitter/X or Instagram or Tik-Tok, whatever they are — if they don’t moderate and monitor the content, we lose total control — and it’s not just the social and psychological effects — it’s real harm — it’s child porn and threats of violence — things that are terribly dangerous. So I couldn’t agree with you more — we need to remove the immunity from liability and we need to have guardrails, we need regulation. We’ve conducted this big experiment on ourselves and particularly our kids and I think the evidence is in, that we’ve got to do more — take phones out of schools. I’m so happy to see schools beginning to do that, where the kids turn their phone in when they walk in the door — and guess what Michael — it won’t surprise you because you’re on this — kids are paying better attention in class, they are talking to each other in the lunchroom — things that used to be part of your daily life when you were a child in school.</p>
<p>Smerconish: So someone once said — final thought for secretary Clinton — someone once said, “it takes a village.” The way I like to express that is: we need to mingle. And what you’ve said about section 230 is correct from a policy standpoint, but somehow everybody’s got to get back involved, joining in their community. Final thought to you, as the author of “Something Lost, Something Gained”.</p>
<p>Clinton: Well Michael, this book is really about life and love and liberty. I talk about my own personal life and some of the lessons that I’ve learned, the experiences that I’ve had, but I also obviously talk about the threats to our democracy, to our freedom, to our liberty, because I think if you’re going to be an involved citizen, you have to pay attention to what’s going on, and we have to be focused on this election, we have to understand what’s at stake. But to finally add to what you said — we’ve got to get back to being a community again — having people interact with each other, find common ground together — so hopefully the election will turn out the right way, the fever will be broken, and we can go back to trying to put our families and our communities on the right track.</p>
<p>Smerconish: Good luck with the book. Thank you for coming back.</p>
<p>Clinton: Thanks a lot Michael, good to talk to you.</p>
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  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p>From <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKgbkLcauDM">Rob Henderson’s Nov 2024 interview at Wellesley College</a>, transcribed in <a href="https://www.robkhenderson.com/p/who-keeps-the-castle-clean">Henderson’s substack post</a>:</p>
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<p>A lot of graduates and students of elite universities will attempt to co-opt the suffering of marginalized people. They’ll identify whatever commonalities they share with historically marginalized groups and then essentially co-opt the suffering of those people, even if they themselves haven’t suffered.</p>
<p>They say, “Well, the category I belong to, there’s been this long history of mistreatment.” And then from there claim that anyone who doesn’t understand what they’ve been through or what these marginalized communities have been through, they must be privileged.</p>
<p>But I mean, ironically, the less marginalized or the more privileged you are, the better positioned you are to accentuate your own marginalization because you can communicate it in a way that’s palatable to upper-middle-class people.</p>
<p>Often what you’ll find — and I struggled with this myself, and I speak to young people who have recently applied to college — if you’ve truly been through something stressful or traumatic, there’s a reluctance to speak about it. You don’t want that to be your identity. You want to rise above it by embracing a different aspect of your identity.</p>
<p>You want to talk about your interests or your intellectual preoccupations or the hobbies that allowed you to distract yourself from, or allowed you to draw your attention away from, those negative experiences. And if you ask them to talk about those experiences, they don’t know how to put it into words that are sort of just the right amount of uncomfortable for the reader, the kind of Disney version of the story rather than the real thing.</p>
<p>Whereas people who have grown up relatively affluent and privileged, and maybe they’ve experienced some mild adversity, they know how to use the right language and the right jargon and terminology, hitting all those right buttons so that another privileged person can read it and say, “Okay, you’re the right kind of marginalized, you’re the right kind of person who knows how to communicate your suffering in a compelling way.</p>
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  <pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2024 13:44:00 GMT</pubDate>
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  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p>This is John Kerry, no less, in a World Economic Forum discussion, no less, saying that:</p>
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<li>“It’s really hard to govern today” because of the “problem … of building consensus”.</li>
<li>This because people “self-select where they go for their news”.</li>
<li>There is “a lot of discussion now about how you curb those entities” providing such news.</li>
<li>“… our First Amendment stands as a major block to the ability to be able to just, you know, hammer [disinformation] out of existence”.</li>
<li>The solution is to “win the right to govern” in “this election” so we can “implement change”.</li>
<li>But he worries whether democracies have the ability to implement these changes “fast enough, big enough”.</li>
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<p>Do you, dear voter, want to use your vote to give John Kerry and his colleagues more power to hammer disinformation, so they can build consensus, and make it easier to govern?</p>
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<p>Questioner: … Could perhaps Secretary Kerry and the panelists could expand on the role of tackling climate misinformation on the solutions in the marketplace, ’cause that seems to me that it’s rife out there both from business investment and consumer.</p>
<p>Kerry: It’s so tough, everybody is wrestling with that right now. And I think the dislike of, and anguish over social media, is just growing and growing and growing. And it’s part of our problem, particularly in democracies, in terms of building consensus around any issue. It’s really hard to govern today. You can’t, you know there’s no .. the referees we used to have to determine what’s a fact, and what isn’t a fact, the kind of … have been eviscerated to a certain degree. And people go and people self-select where they go for their news and for their information, and then you just get into a vicious cycle. So it’s really, really hard, much harder to build consensus today, than at any time in the 45-50 years I’ve been involved in this. And there’s a lot of discussion now about how you curb those entities in order to guarantee that you’re going to have some accountability on facts, etc. But look, if people go to only one source, and the source they go to is sick, and, you know, has an agenda, and they’re putting out disinformation, our First Amendment stands as a major block to the ability to be able to just, you know, hammer it out of existence, so what you need, what we need is to win the ground, win the right to govern, by hopefully having, winning enough votes that you’re free to be able to implement change. Now obviously there are some people in this country who are prepared to implement change in other ways, and that’s really dangerous.</p>
<p>Interviewer: So you’re questioning really for democracy can survive unregulated social media?</p>
<p>Kerry: I think democracies are deeply, very challenged right now, and have not proven they can move fast enough or big enough to deal with the challenges that we are facing. And to me that is part of what this race, this election is all about — will we break the fever in the United States, will we bring ourselves back to a regular order as John McCain used to say, where we’re able to get things done — like a budget — pass a budget for God’s sake.</p>
<p>When I travel around the world, I’m pounded by people who say “What’s the matter with America?” or “Where the hell are you guys going?” And you all know — I’m not raising anything new — it doesn’t look good, it’s not working well. And we have to be able to … and I’ve heard this from leaders of other countries, I won’t mention their names, but some of them semi-adversarial, and they don’t think our system works very well, and you look at it and you say, well maybe …</p>
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<p>This is from the World Economic Forum session <a href="https://www.weforum.org/events/sustainable-development-impact-meetings-2024/sessions/it-s-not-easy-trading-green">It’s not easy trading green</a>, on September 25, 2024. The text above starts from around 44.45 in the video.</p>



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  <dc:creator>Matthew Brett</dc:creator>
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<p>Nietzsche’s publisher, Ernst Schmeitzner, expressed his frustrations at Wagner and his circle at Bayreuth:</p>
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<p>Wagner is not even reading Nietzsche’s book … He said to me that people only read Nietzsche in so far as they cling to him [Wagner] … He got off some really nasty remarks about Nietzsche that I shall never forget … You should have heard in Bayreuth the constant grumbling against the Jews and “Snap up” (Bismarck). Lucky is he who has nothing to do with Wagner!</p>
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<p>On Nietzsche:</p>
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<p>Quite another sort of man is Nietzsche. … From the outset I was struck by the love and warmth of this man.</p>
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<p>Both quotes are from “Friedrich Nietzsche: a biography” by Curtis Cate (2002), p 271.</p>



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